Problem fixed!
I checked inside the case again, and I had done exactly I thought. I disconnected the floppy cable which runs off the FDD controller. Id disconnected the power cable but not the big black cable that I didnt see! This cable must be powered off the motherboard which powers the 9in1 reader. Disconnected the readers. Still have a floppy. Printer and ipod is seen on boot up and it doesnt take 10 minutes.
Wicked!
A million more noobie scatty questions....
Hi got a bit of an update and am about to be a royal pita with more questions. Be prepared this is a lot. Ive downloaded Everest (an older free version). Every time I try and find out information I come up with some overclocking forum and I get lost in information. sorry for the scattyness of my brainage.
First up is my memory issue
Ive been trying to figure out how this is affecting me and what I can do about it to get the most out of my computer. So far this is what I know about my bus speeds. My processor is running at 200mhz which is going through 2 logical units which is equal to 400mhz? which is why the P4 is a 400mhz speeds or something, but somewhere it says its 800mhz FSB, is that to the L1 and L2 cache? hmm. Ok that bit is confusing but thats not where my issue lies, I know that it needs 400mhz on the memory because you guys said already. And frankly the 333mhz seems out of place in the rest of my specs...Does my graphics card speeds matter?
In Everest this is the details.
Cool, now there is a lot of "mhz" stats there, one of them must talk to the memory in 400mhz? this is a guess, does PCI express 16x run too slow for this to matter?
So my processor is running at 400mhz, and my gfx card is also then me memory is slowing up the bus speeds by 66mhz? Which you would say is quite a large loss due to the memory im using.
If I got some PC3200 memory would it make my ratio 1:1 and thus much faster even if I dropped down to 2x512 instead of 2x1024 memory sticks? Argh this timing thing is driving me nuts! Is 2:3 better or is that just for planning to overclock the processor? As I understand with memory so far, I need to get the highest mhz fsb with the lowest latency but keeping those latencies as equal as possible. So for me what I need is 400mhz 2-2-2-5 memory?? Im not really sure on all this.
This is the details of my 2 memory sticks from Everest.
lol there isnt much supported by my memory ... and I dont know how I can run it at 133mhz either because I cant select that in the bios only 333mhz or 400mhz (which still runs on POST as 333mhz). My motherboard manual seems to think it can support 533mhz too, a maximum of 2gb and 2 dimms(both 240 and 184). Is this an even better memory speed that I could use because of the memory speed on my graphics card? If thats only 400mhz that wont matter will it? Am I trying to get 800mhz fsb over my whole system, with 200mhz cpu with quad data rate, 800mhz fsb on my system board and then 2 dimms of dual 400mhz memory which = 800mhz? wtf im so lost arghghhrhgh lol.
This is my options as I currently see them.
The VIA-P chipset has got to be the 9 in 1 card reader / floppy drive. I just cant work out how I can fix it because it even comes up when I disconnect the drive, maybe I didnt disconnect the whole thing properly because the removable disks still show up in my computer even though my A: is gone. I guess i should unplug it from the system board or something.
Still havent updated my BIOS this bit scares me a lot too the readme (attached earlier post) doesnt say it fixes anything similar to what I have or need, i should just do it but i dont want to stop my computer running, but need LFS
I cant find any updates regarding this driver or chipset either yet I see lots of people that have this got problems with all sorts of hardware. Maybe I should just phone up Evesham and tell them about this will they do anything though my computer is over a year old now. Ive had an engineer out twice to fit new PSU's so the warranty may have been extended from when he last visited who knows. Ill try and find out their support number tomorrow and call them, uhhh they wasted my time so much in the past i cant believe i have to ring them again!
Third is an easy one
Would I be better off using 1024x768 res with 85hz refresh rate on my monitor, or is that only worth it with vsync. I get that tearing thing sometimes in some games. why would I get tearing is my viewsonic vp191s monitor too poor for my system? I usually run 1280x1024 at 75hz I dont know if I would see any visual difference changing it to 85hz.
Fourth is my overheating thing a bit more continued
I went into my nvidia control panel and put a lot of the options up so it bumped the graphics up a lot to higher quality but after about 10 mins of playing the fans kicked in and it slowed down a bit and I checked the temp and the GPU was at 50C and the processor seemed to have crept up to 70C again. maybe i need to clean harder.
Maybe I just pushed my system as hard as it could go. It still had good FPS but it just felt slower to the demon ive been used to the last couple of days.
Fith is still my BIOS settings still continued
Just remembered this, I havent really looked into the options much I will google this stuff in a bit and get back to you with some stuff about that probably lol
Sixth is the reinstall of windows I keep talking about and not doing
My current windows install is on G: because i messed up the install first time around now ive moved most of the data I want to keep to my other hard drive C: which when I reinstall windows I plan to remove from the system, then once windows is reinstalled Ill reconnect it and hope the drive letter gets renamed, will this work?
I dont know which drivers to let windows install or which to use a driver disk or downloaded drivers that I can put on a CD. If I want my system to start clean, should I disconnect the hardware except 1 hard drive, then update the BIOS then install windows then connect stuff up after that? Ive got a recovery disk that I got with the computer too, which is sort of an XP pro disk except its got evesham on it. is this loaded with drivers for my windows to work with this hardware? is that installing the VIA drivers that are causing me hassle? Ill need this disk to load my SATA drivers right? When I format the disk do I format /mbr too or something? do i even need to do that these days?
Wow my fingers ache now. Sorry I can talk a lot sometimes.
Thanks everyone for lending me your ears and spending time helping me.
First up is my memory issue
Ive been trying to figure out how this is affecting me and what I can do about it to get the most out of my computer. So far this is what I know about my bus speeds. My processor is running at 200mhz which is going through 2 logical units which is equal to 400mhz? which is why the P4 is a 400mhz speeds or something, but somewhere it says its 800mhz FSB, is that to the L1 and L2 cache? hmm. Ok that bit is confusing but thats not where my issue lies, I know that it needs 400mhz on the memory because you guys said already. And frankly the 333mhz seems out of place in the rest of my specs...Does my graphics card speeds matter?
In Everest this is the details.
Graphics Processor Properties
Video Adapter Leadtek WinFast PX6800
GPU Code Name NV40PCX
PCI Device 10DE / 00F9
Transistors 222 million
Process Technology 0.13u
Die Size 287 mm2
Bus Type PCI Express x16 @ x16
Memory Size 256 MB
GPU Clock 402 MHz
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 16
TMU Per Pipeline 1
Vertex Shaders 6 (v3.0)
Pixel Shaders 1 (v3.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v9.0c
Pixel Fillrate 6432 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 6432 MTexel/s
Memory Bus Properties (of my graphics card)
Bus Type DDR
Bus Width 256-bit
Real Clock 510 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 1021 MHz
Bandwidth 31.9 GB/s
Cool, now there is a lot of "mhz" stats there, one of them must talk to the memory in 400mhz? this is a guess, does PCI express 16x run too slow for this to matter?
So my processor is running at 400mhz, and my gfx card is also then me memory is slowing up the bus speeds by 66mhz? Which you would say is quite a large loss due to the memory im using.If I got some PC3200 memory would it make my ratio 1:1 and thus much faster even if I dropped down to 2x512 instead of 2x1024 memory sticks? Argh this timing thing is driving me nuts! Is 2:3 better or is that just for planning to overclock the processor? As I understand with memory so far, I need to get the highest mhz fsb with the lowest latency but keeping those latencies as equal as possible. So for me what I need is 400mhz 2-2-2-5 memory?? Im not really sure on all this.
This is the details of my 2 memory sticks from Everest.
Memory Module Properties
Serial Number None
Manufacture Date Week 18 / 2005
Module Size 1024 MB (2 ranks, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC2700 (166 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh
Memory Timings
@ 166 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz 2.0-3-3-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Memory Module Features
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported
lol there isnt much supported by my memory ... and I dont know how I can run it at 133mhz either because I cant select that in the bios only 333mhz or 400mhz (which still runs on POST as 333mhz). My motherboard manual seems to think it can support 533mhz too, a maximum of 2gb and 2 dimms(both 240 and 184). Is this an even better memory speed that I could use because of the memory speed on my graphics card? If thats only 400mhz that wont matter will it? Am I trying to get 800mhz fsb over my whole system, with 200mhz cpu with quad data rate, 800mhz fsb on my system board and then 2 dimms of dual 400mhz memory which = 800mhz? wtf im so lost arghghhrhgh lol.
This is my options as I currently see them.
- I can overclock some stuff, like maybe my processor, to make a nicer ratio than 5:4 dont really know about overclocking so it scares me but i could learn
- I can declock my processor to 333mhz to make it run better than it is currently???? would that work?
- I can buy 400mhz PC3200 memory on 240 pins, prefereably some decent stuff like this crucial/corsair stuff ive heard about, what about http://www.lowestonweb.com/pro ... 68-4B1A-99C5-B857F40D6D8B 184 pin type x2 worth doing that even? or http://www.lowestonweb.com/pro ... 0F-4C94-AF88-F370EE1E3A7D 240 pin type (how comes this is 4-4-4-12 is fast?)
- I can overclock my current memory from 333mhz to 400mhz, if thats even possible?
The VIA-P chipset has got to be the 9 in 1 card reader / floppy drive. I just cant work out how I can fix it because it even comes up when I disconnect the drive, maybe I didnt disconnect the whole thing properly because the removable disks still show up in my computer even though my A: is gone. I guess i should unplug it from the system board or something.
Still havent updated my BIOS this bit scares me a lot too the readme (attached earlier post) doesnt say it fixes anything similar to what I have or need, i should just do it but i dont want to stop my computer running, but need LFS
I cant find any updates regarding this driver or chipset either yet I see lots of people that have this got problems with all sorts of hardware. Maybe I should just phone up Evesham and tell them about this will they do anything though my computer is over a year old now. Ive had an engineer out twice to fit new PSU's so the warranty may have been extended from when he last visited who knows. Ill try and find out their support number tomorrow and call them, uhhh they wasted my time so much in the past i cant believe i have to ring them again!
Third is an easy one
Would I be better off using 1024x768 res with 85hz refresh rate on my monitor, or is that only worth it with vsync. I get that tearing thing sometimes in some games. why would I get tearing is my viewsonic vp191s monitor too poor for my system? I usually run 1280x1024 at 75hz I dont know if I would see any visual difference changing it to 85hz.
Fourth is my overheating thing a bit more continued
I went into my nvidia control panel and put a lot of the options up so it bumped the graphics up a lot to higher quality but after about 10 mins of playing the fans kicked in and it slowed down a bit and I checked the temp and the GPU was at 50C and the processor seemed to have crept up to 70C again. maybe i need to clean harder.
Maybe I just pushed my system as hard as it could go. It still had good FPS but it just felt slower to the demon ive been used to the last couple of days.Sensor PropertiesThe two sensors I have in my system feels limited, id like to get more sensors somehow, is there a card i can get that will do this or is that all down to what motherboard ive got? Is there a way to find out the rpm of my GPU fan? How do you rate PCI fan cards? I want a heavy duty fan I dont want one that glows in the dark but one that is really quiet but powerful at the same time.
Sensor Type Winbond W83627THF (ISA 290h)
GPU Sensor Type Maxim MAX6646 (NV-I2C 4Ch)
Motherboard Name MSI MS-7058
Temperatures
Motherboard 40 °C (104 °F)
CPU 50 °C (122 °F)
GPU 37 °C (99 °F)
GPU Ambient 35 °C (95 °F)
WDC WD2000JD-00HBC0 35 °C (95 °F)
WDC WD2000JD-00HBC0 31 °C (88 °F)
Cooling Fans
CPU 1096 RPM
Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.36 V
+3.3 V 3.30 V
+5 V 5.00 V
+12 V 11.67 V
+5 V Standby 5.06 V
VBAT Battery 3.09 V
Debug Info F FF 9A FF
Debug Info T 40 50 233
Debug Info V 8A 6C CE BA C0 5A 10 (03)
Fith is still my BIOS settings still continued
Just remembered this, I havent really looked into the options much I will google this stuff in a bit and get back to you with some stuff about that probably lol
Sixth is the reinstall of windows I keep talking about and not doing
My current windows install is on G: because i messed up the install first time around now ive moved most of the data I want to keep to my other hard drive C: which when I reinstall windows I plan to remove from the system, then once windows is reinstalled Ill reconnect it and hope the drive letter gets renamed, will this work?
I dont know which drivers to let windows install or which to use a driver disk or downloaded drivers that I can put on a CD. If I want my system to start clean, should I disconnect the hardware except 1 hard drive, then update the BIOS then install windows then connect stuff up after that? Ive got a recovery disk that I got with the computer too, which is sort of an XP pro disk except its got evesham on it. is this loaded with drivers for my windows to work with this hardware? is that installing the VIA drivers that are causing me hassle? Ill need this disk to load my SATA drivers right? When I format the disk do I format /mbr too or something? do i even need to do that these days?
Wow my fingers ache now. Sorry I can talk a lot sometimes.
Thanks everyone for lending me your ears and spending time helping me.
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hiya, system seems to run much nicer now that it isnt suffocating itself. the only think i noticed about speedfan was that temp3 used to show up as -6 or 7 before but now is showing at a proper temperature reading. I think maybe i cleared some dust out of that sensor.
running anti aliasing and antriscopic filtering like i used to be able to!
running anti aliasing and antriscopic filtering like i used to be able to!
see problem is im a smoker. so its a sticky nasty sickly yellowy tar.
smoking is bad for your PC health!
just had a race on LFS. frame rate is as follows:
outside view i get 30-60 FPS when racing against others. 100-150 fps when im out racing alone.
in car i get slightly better for obvious reasons and thats how i race so its all good now I sorted those temps out. in planetside i got much better results too.
However, I still think i can get more out of this. And its STILL slow to boot. damn I need to update the bios but I dont have a floppy. anyone got linkage to making a bootable cd rom so i can flash a bios?
What I am worried about is the fan on my heatsink and my geforce card to become unbalanced or broken by me trying to scrape that shit off the fan and surrounding card. im using some mr muscle wipes and a toothbrush. its pretty grimey in there but i really think the big problem was the dirt. See fig22a to fig22j for something to make you cringe and throw up for a week and knightmares of suffocating in dust(view discretion advised 18+ disturbing images ahead look at your own risk).
I didnt realise how dirty it gets inside a cupboard :spidereek yes I even found a spiders web and a spiders shed skin inside the front panel.
P.S Thats not a picture of me holding my own faeces.
P.P.S Did anyone look at the BIOS attachments earlier and see if any of my options are weird.
P.P.P.S Should I use PS/2 adapter with my mouse?
P.P.P.P.S Thanks again.
smoking is bad for your PC health!
just had a race on LFS. frame rate is as follows:
outside view i get 30-60 FPS when racing against others. 100-150 fps when im out racing alone.
in car i get slightly better for obvious reasons and thats how i race so its all good now I sorted those temps out. in planetside i got much better results too.
However, I still think i can get more out of this. And its STILL slow to boot. damn I need to update the bios but I dont have a floppy. anyone got linkage to making a bootable cd rom so i can flash a bios?
What I am worried about is the fan on my heatsink and my geforce card to become unbalanced or broken by me trying to scrape that shit off the fan and surrounding card. im using some mr muscle wipes and a toothbrush. its pretty grimey in there but i really think the big problem was the dirt. See fig22a to fig22j for something to make you cringe and throw up for a week and knightmares of suffocating in dust(view discretion advised 18+ disturbing images ahead look at your own risk).
I didnt realise how dirty it gets inside a cupboard :spidereek yes I even found a spiders web and a spiders shed skin inside the front panel.
P.S Thats not a picture of me holding my own faeces.
P.P.S Did anyone look at the BIOS attachments earlier and see if any of my options are weird.
P.P.P.S Should I use PS/2 adapter with my mouse?
P.P.P.P.S Thanks again.
So what kind of issues should i expect from having 333mhz / PC2700 memory while using this processor and FSB speeds? Is it just the processor drops down to 333mhz or what? Would this cause big issues because I got the PC as a whole package so I might be able to get it changed under warranty or something if i speak to their sale dept.
As a note. I have 1 fan on my 2 hard drives which i cleaned up. 1 fan on my heatsink (bit grubby so is the heatsink but too scared to clean it). 1 fan on my case which is pushing air over the system board. And the obvious fans in my power supply.
I am assuming my processor heatsink fan is the one being displayed in SpeedFan as the other two case fans / PSU dont seem to have any cables for sensors. Its good to know there is more than 1 fan in there though.
Edit: Oh yeah I re enabled those two via chipsets in windows. Is it possible that those 2 things are my CD-RW DVD-/+RW combo drive? when i enabled them two drives show in my computers as "removable media".
As a note. I have 1 fan on my 2 hard drives which i cleaned up. 1 fan on my heatsink (bit grubby so is the heatsink but too scared to clean it). 1 fan on my case which is pushing air over the system board. And the obvious fans in my power supply.
I am assuming my processor heatsink fan is the one being displayed in SpeedFan as the other two case fans / PSU dont seem to have any cables for sensors. Its good to know there is more than 1 fan in there though.
Edit: Oh yeah I re enabled those two via chipsets in windows. Is it possible that those 2 things are my CD-RW DVD-/+RW combo drive? when i enabled them two drives show in my computers as "removable media".
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*Latest update*
Have cleaned my case and fans. Knocked my temperatures down by a lot. See fig 21a for my latest temps.
I have disconnected my Floppy disk drive but The Via P devices are still detected on boot.
Are you sure these arnt related to my 2 SATA drives? Could it be my drives are running in IDE mode or something?
In the BIOS they show as IDE and the VIA-P chip on my system board is very close to my IDE ports...
what would the VIA-P 6205 things be for and why is it auto detecting them?
Have cleaned my case and fans. Knocked my temperatures down by a lot. See fig 21a for my latest temps.
I have disconnected my Floppy disk drive but The Via P devices are still detected on boot.
Are you sure these arnt related to my 2 SATA drives? Could it be my drives are running in IDE mode or something?
In the BIOS they show as IDE and the VIA-P chip on my system board is very close to my IDE ports...
what would the VIA-P 6205 things be for and why is it auto detecting them?
the other attachments ...
Here is more information on my system from the BIOS.
see fig11a for where my system hangs. device 01 sometimes is found as the via chipset sometimes as the hp i think its taking time while it sorts them out into order or stops them from clashing. will take out that floppy later, and swap usb ports (although i have tried this i think).
Ok, the main options screen/ entry screen of my bios is fig12a.
first is standard CMOS features. Ok see fig13a for how mine is setup. does this look ok to you for SATA drives?
second is the advanced BIOS features. Ok see fig 14a for this screen and then 14b for my Boot sequence screen.
third is the advanced chipset features. Ok see fig15a for this screen.
fourth is the integrated peripherals. Ok see fig16a for this main screen. And then see fig16b 16c and 16d for the device configs.
fith is the power management features. Ok see fig17a for this on next reply as too many attachments
sixth is the PNP/PCI configuration. Ok see fig 18a on next post.
seventh is the hardware monitor. I guess this is whats running on the chip or something, there is an option in there to set the fan to maybe run at an earlier temperature. See fig19a for my settings on this screen. Also see fig19b for my current pc health status.
eighth is the money shot I hope. This is my Cell menu. The overclocking area im assuming? And maybe an area where i have selected or have something set wrong. See fig20a for this screens settings.
see fig11a for where my system hangs. device 01 sometimes is found as the via chipset sometimes as the hp i think its taking time while it sorts them out into order or stops them from clashing. will take out that floppy later, and swap usb ports (although i have tried this i think).
Ok, the main options screen/ entry screen of my bios is fig12a.
first is standard CMOS features. Ok see fig13a for how mine is setup. does this look ok to you for SATA drives?
second is the advanced BIOS features. Ok see fig 14a for this screen and then 14b for my Boot sequence screen.
third is the advanced chipset features. Ok see fig15a for this screen.
fourth is the integrated peripherals. Ok see fig16a for this main screen. And then see fig16b 16c and 16d for the device configs.
fith is the power management features. Ok see fig17a for this on next reply as too many attachments
sixth is the PNP/PCI configuration. Ok see fig 18a on next post.
seventh is the hardware monitor. I guess this is whats running on the chip or something, there is an option in there to set the fan to maybe run at an earlier temperature. See fig19a for my settings on this screen. Also see fig19b for my current pc health status.
eighth is the money shot I hope. This is my Cell menu. The overclocking area im assuming? And maybe an area where i have selected or have something set wrong. See fig20a for this screens settings.
:bowdown: small update, i downloaded AVG and ran that and no other viruses found thank god.
this is definately something that ive done to my computer to make it like this.
during the 3d mark test, on the cpu test it crawled at 0 fps what does that mean, my processor is struggling with 3d graphics or something?
or is it that my memory is not right for this machine if so i will phone up evesham but would they supply me with memory that is not suitable????
this is definately something that ive done to my computer to make it like this.
during the 3d mark test, on the cpu test it crawled at 0 fps what does that mean, my processor is struggling with 3d graphics or something?
or is it that my memory is not right for this machine if so i will phone up evesham but would they supply me with memory that is not suitable????
i kind of noticed the clock speed in cpu-z lower than normal and slowly raising to 3400 hz again... as the temp went down i think.
i changed my ddr fsb speed to 333mhz. its original value, i put it to 400 mhz myself...but its still the same. im lost with this.
i changed my ddr fsb speed to 333mhz. its original value, i put it to 400 mhz myself...but its still the same. im lost with this.
Ok this is not good!
3d Mark test results all came in at less than 10 frames per second...
see fig9a for my temperatures when I finished the test.
Ok and here is the overall results for 3d Mark. I have the 92.91 drivers in which arnt the recommended ones, should I put the older drivers in then try the test again looks like something is severely wrong. See fig10a to 10d.
Ack, save me!
3d Mark test results all came in at less than 10 frames per second...
see fig9a for my temperatures when I finished the test.
Ok and here is the overall results for 3d Mark. I have the 92.91 drivers in which arnt the recommended ones, should I put the older drivers in then try the test again looks like something is severely wrong. See fig10a to 10d.
Ack, save me!
im not sure about the memory FSB speeds that may be a setting that ive got it at in the BIOS. this is going to be my next post to you all. it will be a listing of all my bios options whats ive set them to and what options it gives me. will be back with that later...
Another update: See fig8a to 8d for my PC Mark results. Does the speeds of my hardware seem ok? Im unregistered does that matter? Not quite sure what the results tell me.
im going to do some 3d mark testing soonish.
So anyone know about fans?
i think mine has some sort of "intelligent" fan management or something handled by the chipset? should i tweak that?
got any tips for good PCI card fans or fans i can use for my hdd that are quiet. any kinda heatsinks i can glue to my drives?
Another update: See fig8a to 8d for my PC Mark results. Does the speeds of my hardware seem ok? Im unregistered does that matter? Not quite sure what the results tell me.
im going to do some 3d mark testing soonish.
So anyone know about fans?
i think mine has some sort of "intelligent" fan management or something handled by the chipset? should i tweak that?
got any tips for good PCI card fans or fans i can use for my hdd that are quiet. any kinda heatsinks i can glue to my drives?
yes i didnt really have time to look at all the results i had to reboot my pc for something. ill run the test again though. any tips on options to pick, its 2gb of memory so it might take a while to test it.
The cpu-z program is awesome!!!
see fig7a to fig7e for my results using cpu-z.
its a prescott does that tell me what temps is ok for it to run at?
hi this is why i am worried about temperature a bit... see fig 6a and 6b. this is my system in its desk cupboard thing. theres a hole on the case which is for airflow which is almost up against the wood but it can get air in there...from the back and the front and down the sides but i am just a little concerned about it.
here is some data from speedfan about my drives see fig 5b and 5c. here is another shot of my running temps which seem to fluctuate a lot and there is one reading that says -6 or something i dont know whats going on there with that sensor, it seems to change a lot see fig 5d.
hmm
im still too lazt to drag my pc out of the cupboard, clean it and look inside and disconnect the floppy drive its a mission but i will do it soon. i need to sort out the birds nest of cables round the back ...
ok to update the bios, this is the readme. see attachment. should i just use a floppy disk or use some other way?
thanks again for the help everybody.
here is some data from speedfan about my drives see fig 5b and 5c. here is another shot of my running temps which seem to fluctuate a lot and there is one reading that says -6 or something i dont know whats going on there with that sensor, it seems to change a lot see fig 5d.
hmm
im still too lazt to drag my pc out of the cupboard, clean it and look inside and disconnect the floppy drive its a mission but i will do it soon. i need to sort out the birds nest of cables round the back ...
ok to update the bios, this is the readme. see attachment. should i just use a floppy disk or use some other way?
thanks again for the help everybody.
should i be aiming for 55 or 70 because im inbetween. its showing little flame icons in speedfan though. do i need to find my processors model number out?
ive gotten myself a new "optical friendly" mouse mat will see how it goes.
havent done the other stuff yet.
i ran a memtest overnight and it got to about 46% i think with no errors.
ive gotten myself a new "optical friendly" mouse mat will see how it goes.
havent done the other stuff yet.
i ran a memtest overnight and it got to about 46% i think with no errors.
ive stopped norton from running now its added a few more FPS in but i feel less secure, going to download that alternative. I wonder if itll find any extra viruses that norton missed.
so far ive seen a bit improvement. while im driving i get a more constant 30-40 FPS. If i look left or right it goes up to 100 FPS. While watching a replay it will drop to about 10-20 in places when viewing the whole grid.
Its playable now. I dont know if its quite running at its full potential though. Im still trying as much as I can to get this system at its best. Overall it feels much better.
Ok, the other things ive still to do is 1) test all my hardware. 2) monitor the temperatures while I play. 3) reinstall windows 4) clean the computer up 5) remove that floppy, see if it can get a quicker than 10 minutes to boot. 6) update / tinker with the BIOS settings to get full potential...
will update more later.
see fig 5a for my temperatures ive had my computer on for a bit and played some music etc.
my windows install is about a year old ive had some hardware changes like new printer and bluetooth adapters ipods etc being installed. i might start new, with the help ive got from here and on the web for how i can keep my PC running sweet, i can try and monitor more of whats going on with my computer...
so far ive seen a bit improvement. while im driving i get a more constant 30-40 FPS. If i look left or right it goes up to 100 FPS. While watching a replay it will drop to about 10-20 in places when viewing the whole grid.
Its playable now. I dont know if its quite running at its full potential though. Im still trying as much as I can to get this system at its best. Overall it feels much better.
Ok, the other things ive still to do is 1) test all my hardware. 2) monitor the temperatures while I play. 3) reinstall windows 4) clean the computer up 5) remove that floppy, see if it can get a quicker than 10 minutes to boot. 6) update / tinker with the BIOS settings to get full potential...
will update more later.
see fig 5a for my temperatures ive had my computer on for a bit and played some music etc.
my windows install is about a year old ive had some hardware changes like new printer and bluetooth adapters ipods etc being installed. i might start new, with the help ive got from here and on the web for how i can keep my PC running sweet, i can try and monitor more of whats going on with my computer...
im running to 92 drivers as suggested earlier now. it felt smoother and looks like i got more fps increases but i dont know wether the problem is fixed. it was ok with 3 people on the server but slightly busier and the rate dropped hugely.
What exactly should I be aiming for based on my PC specs? Should I atleast have 100 fps solid or what?
damn its 4 am ive got to sleep, will continue the quest tomorrow.
edit: oh also installed speedfan couldnt see anything over 60 degrees will double check tomorrow and post exact details, too tired now!
What exactly should I be aiming for based on my PC specs? Should I atleast have 100 fps solid or what?
damn its 4 am ive got to sleep, will continue the quest tomorrow.
edit: oh also installed speedfan couldnt see anything over 60 degrees will double check tomorrow and post exact details, too tired now!
Ok i have disabled the 2 imaginary drives by right click a real drive, selecting hardware tab, then using the drop down to "disabled" i checked in device manager and next to both of the VIA-P things its got a red X and is just disabled at the moment.
pc was still slow to boot, im guess i need to disable them from being auto detected in the BIOS too. i guess ill have to pull my floppy drive out, fingers cross there is seperate cables inside and i can just disabled the memory card readers and still use the floppy.
it seems like I may have got an FPS increase but its hard to say without trying to race it on a full server. but it looks to have helped. a lot! but! still only getting low rates about 20-40 im not sure if this is correct. ive got some to do still from the other parts will see how it goes.
still have to do the other drivers too and see how it all goes. thank you all so much for the help so far.
Edit: I have noticed something, and thats when I load up a game that runs in 3d or the comp is under strain the fans are on full rpm? possibly hinting to temperature??
pc was still slow to boot, im guess i need to disable them from being auto detected in the BIOS too. i guess ill have to pull my floppy drive out, fingers cross there is seperate cables inside and i can just disabled the memory card readers and still use the floppy.
it seems like I may have got an FPS increase but its hard to say without trying to race it on a full server. but it looks to have helped. a lot! but! still only getting low rates about 20-40 im not sure if this is correct. ive got some to do still from the other parts will see how it goes.
still have to do the other drivers too and see how it all goes. thank you all so much for the help so far.
Edit: I have noticed something, and thats when I load up a game that runs in 3d or the comp is under strain the fans are on full rpm? possibly hinting to temperature??
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here is fig 4a to 4i...
Can anyone help me get my computer running healthy and at its best?
So far ive spent hours trying to get this right. Im beginning to doubt Ive even got a problem and thats its running normal, but I just have this feeling that something is not right with it all. My computer knowledge is lacking but I do try 
. my problem is erratic and inconsistent FPS. Am I just a gaming hyperchondriac?
Here is screenshots of my Task Manager after running 1 lap of a replay of a multiplayer race. See Fig 1a for CPU usage. See Fig 1b for Processes. I have checked my processes and got it down to the bare minimum and it should be running nice now except for its still bad. but i also get this when in cockpit view while racing online.
My FPS is 100+ when the camera is up close to 1 car. Or around 80 when its one car alone. But if there is any cars around it bogs down and goes to 10 - 15 FPS and makes LFS almost unplayable. It sometimes goes even lower to 5 FPS. I dont just get this in LFS, but also in another multiplayer game called Planetside (100+ when looking at a wall, 5 when in a fight and action is happening). Half life 2 felt like it was also laggy and that is single player.
I have attached my dxdiags file for you to see.
Ok I bought my system as a complete build from Evesham. But I did reinstall windows myself since then. Im not quite sure wether I have my BIOS and/or Windows and/or my hardware fully set up correctly.
My hardware system specs:
First:
See fig 2a. This is my Drives in Windows XP. Deframented both hard drives. Have got 80GB free on my windows drive and 125GB free on my data drive. Could it be that my SATA drives are not setup correctly from the first moment I installed Windows? How would I know if its the right drivers for the SATA disks? How can I measure what they are doing and how would I know if thats the issue?
What the hell is that VIA-P VT6205-DevB USB Device and VIA-P VT-6205-DevM USB Device? Is that the drivers for my 2 SATA drives? Do I have a VIA chipset on my MSI motherboard or am I confused by this and its normal functioning?
Second:
All of my hardware seems to run through USB. And I dont know if this is limiting performance somehow. My modem, my input, my printer and my drives? does SATA use USB? man i dont know enough about computers for this.
Third:
See fig 3a for my device manager. there is an ethernet card installed or something that hasnt installed properly but i have disabled this. will that cause problems in my system? does the rest of my device manager look ok to you or does something look wrong?
Fourth:
ive heard about having to revert to old drivers or to third party drivers to get better results and to avoid issues, what should I try as far as drivers go for my graphics card?
Fith:
USB ADSL modem good or bad? Should it handle the bandwidth fine? Or should I purchase a router and get that ethernet card setup properly? Anyone know a lot about this area? I dont think my ping is the fault here its definately some sort of system lag, it happens in a replay.
Sixth:
Should I put my monitor refresh rate to 75hz to get better results with V sync or anything else?
Seventh:
How would I know if my power supply voltage is not enough, ive heard the 6800 ultra is a drain on power? I dont really know too much about what power supply I have in there or if i should upgrade to a better one.
Eigth:
See Figure 4a - 4i for my LFS options. i have it set to 1280x1024 32 bit colour depth but the issue persists in 1024 resolution too. i have tried the minimum sleep option with no change. tried hardware vertex shading on/off. z buffer to 16 and back. are any of those options wrong or conflicting or anything. ive tried v sync on and off but my fps still is too bad to race comfortably. im pretty sure my specs can handle this or is my system underpowered?
Ninth:
temperatures of my hardware. im not sure what the temperatures are at on all of my hardware. how is the best way to monitor all of my critical components. i keep my computer locked away in a wooden desk cupboard which probably makes it run hot and i havent opened the case on it for near on a year maybe more. should I give it a clean? swap cards into different slots? should i monitor my fan speeds?
Tenth:
Faulty memory or other hardware? How can i run stress tests on all my gaming critical hardware to see if its all functioning well under pressure. I have a really old copy of PC Check on floppy disk but its very old now and may not work as well on my PC. Should I use dos based diagnostics or windows diagnostics is fine for this kind of fault finding. whats good free software to diagnose my computer?
Eleventh:
Other current problems with the PC that piss me off i dont know if they are related? who knows. on boot i get detecting USB mass storage devices for about 5 10 minutes and then it boots into windows. ive had that problem since i installed my hp printer. i think it conflicts with those 2 VIA-P devices earlier. but even when i disconnect it i still get the fps problem. this printer has memory card readers on it and my floppy drive has memory card readers on it too, conflict?? ah i dont know im just a newbie. Also my microsoft optical mouse tends to have fits and spin all over the screen but i beleive this is due to the surface im using it on.
Twelvth:
Its an old windows install i guess i could do with wiping it clean and starting over. but this i am doing over time as I slowly back up my files and prepare for the big wipe and stuff. as I get to that point ill make more posts to inform you all of whats happening and to bump me thread.
Please please please all you brilliant tech gurus help me get my good system running like it should be. A million questions for you all. I have searched and looked through other threads for help as you can see im kind of at the limit of my knowledge of computers. i feel like im really close to beating this gremlin.
PS. Please tell me of other information or things I can do to try and resolve this. pics or graphs or tests or something.
. my problem is erratic and inconsistent FPS. Am I just a gaming hyperchondriac?Here is screenshots of my Task Manager after running 1 lap of a replay of a multiplayer race. See Fig 1a for CPU usage. See Fig 1b for Processes. I have checked my processes and got it down to the bare minimum and it should be running nice now except for its still bad. but i also get this when in cockpit view while racing online.
My FPS is 100+ when the camera is up close to 1 car. Or around 80 when its one car alone. But if there is any cars around it bogs down and goes to 10 - 15 FPS and makes LFS almost unplayable. It sometimes goes even lower to 5 FPS. I dont just get this in LFS, but also in another multiplayer game called Planetside (100+ when looking at a wall, 5 when in a fight and action is happening). Half life 2 felt like it was also laggy and that is single player.
I have attached my dxdiags file for you to see.
Ok I bought my system as a complete build from Evesham. But I did reinstall windows myself since then. Im not quite sure wether I have my BIOS and/or Windows and/or my hardware fully set up correctly.
My hardware system specs:
- Pentium 4 3.4Ghz (i think its an EM64t, 2 show up in device manager???) - 200 x 17 setting in the bios
- MSI bios v1.5b for MS-7058 Motherboard (ive found a 1.8 bios but have yet to update it)
- 2GB of DDR memory set to 333 mhz in bios
- nvidia geforce 6800 ultra pci express 256 meg
- creative SB audigy 2 ZS with front panel + speaker/sub set
- viewsonic vp191s lcd monitor @ 1280x1024 60hz
- 2x 180GB SATA disk drives
- 1x CD DVD ROM
- 1x DVD RW / CD R/RW combo
- 1x USB Hub self powered
- 1x HP USB 2.0 printer, USB 2.0 cable with memory card readers
- 1x Floppy disk drive with memory card readers
- 1x USB ADSL Alcatel modem
- 1x Logitech driving force pro
- 1x microsoft wired optical mouse
- 1x microsoft keyboard
- Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 quite old and clogged up install
- Norton Anti Virus Corporate Edition disabled and enabled no difference but id like to be secure
- Adaware SE
- Windows XP firewall
- nvidia drivers 93.71 had same fps problem with 81.98
- latest creative SB drivers
First:
See fig 2a. This is my Drives in Windows XP. Deframented both hard drives. Have got 80GB free on my windows drive and 125GB free on my data drive. Could it be that my SATA drives are not setup correctly from the first moment I installed Windows? How would I know if its the right drivers for the SATA disks? How can I measure what they are doing and how would I know if thats the issue?
What the hell is that VIA-P VT6205-DevB USB Device and VIA-P VT-6205-DevM USB Device? Is that the drivers for my 2 SATA drives? Do I have a VIA chipset on my MSI motherboard or am I confused by this and its normal functioning?
Second:
All of my hardware seems to run through USB. And I dont know if this is limiting performance somehow. My modem, my input, my printer and my drives? does SATA use USB? man i dont know enough about computers for this.
Third:
See fig 3a for my device manager. there is an ethernet card installed or something that hasnt installed properly but i have disabled this. will that cause problems in my system? does the rest of my device manager look ok to you or does something look wrong?
Fourth:
ive heard about having to revert to old drivers or to third party drivers to get better results and to avoid issues, what should I try as far as drivers go for my graphics card?
Fith:
USB ADSL modem good or bad? Should it handle the bandwidth fine? Or should I purchase a router and get that ethernet card setup properly? Anyone know a lot about this area? I dont think my ping is the fault here its definately some sort of system lag, it happens in a replay.
Sixth:
Should I put my monitor refresh rate to 75hz to get better results with V sync or anything else?
Seventh:
How would I know if my power supply voltage is not enough, ive heard the 6800 ultra is a drain on power? I dont really know too much about what power supply I have in there or if i should upgrade to a better one.
Eigth:
See Figure 4a - 4i for my LFS options. i have it set to 1280x1024 32 bit colour depth but the issue persists in 1024 resolution too. i have tried the minimum sleep option with no change. tried hardware vertex shading on/off. z buffer to 16 and back. are any of those options wrong or conflicting or anything. ive tried v sync on and off but my fps still is too bad to race comfortably. im pretty sure my specs can handle this or is my system underpowered?
Ninth:
temperatures of my hardware. im not sure what the temperatures are at on all of my hardware. how is the best way to monitor all of my critical components. i keep my computer locked away in a wooden desk cupboard which probably makes it run hot and i havent opened the case on it for near on a year maybe more. should I give it a clean? swap cards into different slots? should i monitor my fan speeds?
Tenth:
Faulty memory or other hardware? How can i run stress tests on all my gaming critical hardware to see if its all functioning well under pressure. I have a really old copy of PC Check on floppy disk but its very old now and may not work as well on my PC. Should I use dos based diagnostics or windows diagnostics is fine for this kind of fault finding. whats good free software to diagnose my computer?
Eleventh:
Other current problems with the PC that piss me off i dont know if they are related? who knows. on boot i get detecting USB mass storage devices for about 5 10 minutes and then it boots into windows. ive had that problem since i installed my hp printer. i think it conflicts with those 2 VIA-P devices earlier. but even when i disconnect it i still get the fps problem. this printer has memory card readers on it and my floppy drive has memory card readers on it too, conflict?? ah i dont know im just a newbie. Also my microsoft optical mouse tends to have fits and spin all over the screen but i beleive this is due to the surface im using it on.
Twelvth:
Its an old windows install i guess i could do with wiping it clean and starting over. but this i am doing over time as I slowly back up my files and prepare for the big wipe and stuff. as I get to that point ill make more posts to inform you all of whats happening and to bump me thread.
Please please please all you brilliant tech gurus help me get my good system running like it should be.
A million questions for you all. I have searched and looked through other threads for help as you can see im kind of at the limit of my knowledge of computers. i feel like im really close to beating this gremlin.PS. Please tell me of other information or things I can do to try and resolve this. pics or graphs or tests or something.
Last edited by richy, .
Reason : slight add and added attachment
im beginning to think my problem is seperate from this "patch V sutter".
i get stutter though. i am not sure its related to the patch.
my fps is taking severe drops at certain points...im still trying to figure out whats going on.
im going to try and make my own thread to sort this out specific to my machine setup etc ... as i dont think its related to the patch. im getting the problem in a few games...
i get stutter though. i am not sure its related to the patch.
my fps is taking severe drops at certain points...im still trying to figure out whats going on.
im going to try and make my own thread to sort this out specific to my machine setup etc ... as i dont think its related to the patch. im getting the problem in a few games...
I get 5 - 100 fps eratic and unconsistent FPS.
ive tried upgrading u to v. tried fresh install. on other hdd.
ive tried running anti virus and spyware removal. tried running LFS with anti virus on and off.
ive tried removing un needed running processes. but im still researching the svchost thing. have tried disabling QoS service and most of my old processes that were ok to run on previous version of LFS... still no change. minor FPS improvements but not resolving the low frame rate issue. No anti aliasing on, all set to performance mode.
the install of windows is reasonably old. over a year but I want to use this as my utmost last resort as it may not work.
My system specs:
Windows XP pro SP2. fully updated and defraggled.
P4 3.4 Ghz 200mhz FSB with Hyper Threading on
2 GB of DDR memory @ 333mhz dual channel interleaved
2x SATA hdd 190GB
nvidia geforce 6800 ultra PCI xpress 256MB
creatice soundblaster audigy 2 ZS soundcard - How would i know if this is platinum?
viewsonic LCD screen @ 1280x1024 resolution @ 60hz
USB devices: hub, hp printer, DFP wheel, microsoft mouse, alcatel adsl modem
attached is my dxdiag
here is a copy of my svchost list.
G:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tasklist /svc
Image Name PID Services
========================= ====== =============================================
System Idle Process 0 N/A
System 4 N/A
smss.exe 472 N/A
csrss.exe 556 N/A
winlogon.exe 592 N/A
services.exe 636 Eventlog, PlugPlay
lsass.exe 648 PolicyAgent, ProtectedStorage, SamSs
svchost.exe 808 DcomLaunch, TermService
svchost.exe 860 RpcSs
svchost.exe 900 AudioSrv, BITS, CryptSvc, Dhcp, dmserver,
ERSvc, EventSystem,
FastUserSwitchingCompatibility, helpsvc,
lanmanserver, lanmanworkstation, Netman,
Nla, RasMan, Schedule, seclogon, SENS,
SharedAccess, ShellHWDetection, srservice,
TapiSrv, Themes, TrkWks, W32Time, winmgmt,
wscsvc, wuauserv, WZCSVC
svchost.exe 956 Dnscache
svchost.exe 984 LmHosts, RemoteRegistry, SSDPSRV, upnphost,
WebClient
spoolsv.exe 1112 Spooler
btwdins.exe 1252 btwdins
CTSVCCDA.EXE 1264 Creative Service for CDROM Access
defwatch.exe 1292 DefWatch
rtvscan.exe 1348 Norton AntiVirus Server
nvsvc32.exe 1384 NVSvc
HPZipm12.exe 1396 Pml Driver HPZ12
explorer.exe 1960 N/A
alg.exe 2016 ALG
vptray.exe 1028 N/A
iTunesHelper.exe 1052 N/A
rundll32.exe 1176 N/A
qttask.exe 1416 N/A
ctfmon.exe 2096 N/A
iPodService.exe 2116 iPod Service
BTTray.exe 2224 N/A
BTStackServer.exe 2356 N/A
svchost.exe 2716 usnsvc
msnmsgr.exe 452 N/A
iexplore.exe 816 N/A
wmplayer.exe 3928 N/A
iexplore.exe 3272 N/A
cmd.exe 2512 N/A
tasklist.exe 2588 N/A
wmiprvse.exe 1976 N/A
i dont always run media player its just i did at the time of doing the dxdiag. ive tried it with / without MSN.
ive updated my graphics driver. ive updated direct x. im download new sound drivers then doing the BIOS.
ive tried upgrading u to v. tried fresh install. on other hdd.
ive tried running anti virus and spyware removal. tried running LFS with anti virus on and off.
ive tried removing un needed running processes. but im still researching the svchost thing. have tried disabling QoS service and most of my old processes that were ok to run on previous version of LFS... still no change. minor FPS improvements but not resolving the low frame rate issue. No anti aliasing on, all set to performance mode.
the install of windows is reasonably old. over a year but I want to use this as my utmost last resort as it may not work.
My system specs:
Windows XP pro SP2. fully updated and defraggled.
P4 3.4 Ghz 200mhz FSB with Hyper Threading on
2 GB of DDR memory @ 333mhz dual channel interleaved
2x SATA hdd 190GB
nvidia geforce 6800 ultra PCI xpress 256MB
creatice soundblaster audigy 2 ZS soundcard - How would i know if this is platinum?
viewsonic LCD screen @ 1280x1024 resolution @ 60hz
USB devices: hub, hp printer, DFP wheel, microsoft mouse, alcatel adsl modem
attached is my dxdiag
here is a copy of my svchost list.
G:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tasklist /svc
Image Name PID Services
========================= ====== =============================================
System Idle Process 0 N/A
System 4 N/A
smss.exe 472 N/A
csrss.exe 556 N/A
winlogon.exe 592 N/A
services.exe 636 Eventlog, PlugPlay
lsass.exe 648 PolicyAgent, ProtectedStorage, SamSs
svchost.exe 808 DcomLaunch, TermService
svchost.exe 860 RpcSs
svchost.exe 900 AudioSrv, BITS, CryptSvc, Dhcp, dmserver,
ERSvc, EventSystem,
FastUserSwitchingCompatibility, helpsvc,
lanmanserver, lanmanworkstation, Netman,
Nla, RasMan, Schedule, seclogon, SENS,
SharedAccess, ShellHWDetection, srservice,
TapiSrv, Themes, TrkWks, W32Time, winmgmt,
wscsvc, wuauserv, WZCSVC
svchost.exe 956 Dnscache
svchost.exe 984 LmHosts, RemoteRegistry, SSDPSRV, upnphost,
WebClient
spoolsv.exe 1112 Spooler
btwdins.exe 1252 btwdins
CTSVCCDA.EXE 1264 Creative Service for CDROM Access
defwatch.exe 1292 DefWatch
rtvscan.exe 1348 Norton AntiVirus Server
nvsvc32.exe 1384 NVSvc
HPZipm12.exe 1396 Pml Driver HPZ12
explorer.exe 1960 N/A
alg.exe 2016 ALG
vptray.exe 1028 N/A
iTunesHelper.exe 1052 N/A
rundll32.exe 1176 N/A
qttask.exe 1416 N/A
ctfmon.exe 2096 N/A
iPodService.exe 2116 iPod Service
BTTray.exe 2224 N/A
BTStackServer.exe 2356 N/A
svchost.exe 2716 usnsvc
msnmsgr.exe 452 N/A
iexplore.exe 816 N/A
wmplayer.exe 3928 N/A
iexplore.exe 3272 N/A
cmd.exe 2512 N/A
tasklist.exe 2588 N/A
wmiprvse.exe 1976 N/A
i dont always run media player its just i did at the time of doing the dxdiag. ive tried it with / without MSN.
ive updated my graphics driver. ive updated direct x. im download new sound drivers then doing the BIOS.
Last edited by richy, .
I asked about this is the past. its because youre not supposed to use Alt Tab or Ctrl Escape. but to press Shift F4 instead to minimise LFS.
already gone through the frustration of trying to fix this and got annoyed at it havent raced much since. ill do the same for that thread.
IF YOU HAVE THIS ISSUE LETS TRY AND POOL OUR SYSTEM SPECS AND TRY AND SORT IT OUT.
sorry if i just blinded you at 6:40am
IF YOU HAVE THIS ISSUE LETS TRY AND POOL OUR SYSTEM SPECS AND TRY AND SORT IT OUT.
sorry if i just blinded you at 6:40am
scratch that, still not working.
ive done everything i can now except re install windows. not going to. will wait for new LFS version in 6 months.
ive done everything i can now except re install windows. not going to. will wait for new LFS version in 6 months.
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