Problem with ISP_REO packet on patch Z
Hello!
My friend and me has written small InSim application which one of the features is possibility to change race order after qualification by admin.
So we set /start fixed by sending ISP_MST message to server - InSim Application is working with admin privileges.
Later on we send ISP_REO with proper structure
36, 36, 0, number of plids, plids.
But after the race restart with IS_MST /restart we get ISP_REO packet with race order like it was in qualification. So information with race order we send earlier was ignored by server.
I'm pretty sure that this was working on Y patch.
Maybe someone has similar problem like we have right now.
My friend and me has written small InSim application which one of the features is possibility to change race order after qualification by admin.
So we set /start fixed by sending ISP_MST message to server - InSim Application is working with admin privileges.
Later on we send ISP_REO with proper structure
36, 36, 0, number of plids, plids.
But after the race restart with IS_MST /restart we get ISP_REO packet with race order like it was in qualification. So information with race order we send earlier was ignored by server.
I'm pretty sure that this was working on Y patch.
Maybe someone has similar problem like we have right now.
I think that split 1 idea is pretty good 
Only one issue. 12 laps limit doesn't work at all. U can always do like this. Go to in lap, drive fast laps as far as u can to see if this would be faster one and if not just shift+p to pits (without crossing the finish line).
Using this "back door" you can try unlimited number of times to make a faster lap.
In general I really like this 12 laps qual system. U need to be really quick and repeatable to make really fast lap in 12 tries.
Using this "back door" you can try unlimited number of times to make a faster lap.
In general I really like this 12 laps qual system. U need to be really quick and repeatable to make really fast lap in 12 tries.
Is this his PB or WR that is not an issue.
Problem is that driver can omit all chicane (driving 4 wheels on dirt) and system claims that such a lap is HLVC valid! That is obviously bug!
Problem is that driver can omit all chicane (driving 4 wheels on dirt) and system claims that such a lap is HLVC valid! That is obviously bug!
Can tune up time be adjusted to not collide with Formula 1 race this weekend? I think 19:00 UTC for qualifications would be great 
Sure we can
Right now minimum drivers for an event is 2 If only one scored, points are divided by 2. And that is something that most of people suggested anyway. So another step in good direction
I still think that there should be max driver limit, but this is another issue to be considered.
Best Regards
Mroziu
Right now minimum drivers for an event is 2
If only one scored, points are divided by 2. And that is something that most of people suggested anyway. So another step in good direction I still think that there should be max driver limit, but this is another issue to be considered.
Best Regards
Mroziu
I knew it would be like this. I have a problem with explaining simple things
419.5 divided by maximum of two values (low limit of members participating and number of team member that score was added up). This values are in order 2 and 4. So maximum from that is 4 and that goes to 419.5/4 = 104.8
@kaynd -> for the lower part limit we have the same opinion. Why the upper limit? I try to explain
Let's take your team as an example. You have more than 10 drivers in team. You have some good drivers and some average too. OLFSL rules are that all skill levels are welcome. So having some weaker drivers driving under team flag will lower your average score and doesn't allow to compete with team that low skill drivers won't participate in events at all or participate without team flag. By team flag I mean selected team in OLFSL member profile. And this is another possible drawback of team point system. So I suggest to have an upper limit too and take eg. 4 (but can be any number) best team drivers. Looking from completely different point of view if there would be a team contest you would take only best team drivers not all
I think it is quite fair
Best Regards
Mroziu
Finally some discussion on topic
My idea of team standings is as follow:
Sum of points gained by A=min(X, number of team members participating in particular event) best drivers of team for particular event divided by max(Y,A), where X is max number of drivers taken into consideration, Y is minimum drivers number and A is real number of drivers participation in event. Teams with less than Y drivers subscribed for season are not taken info further computations.
My suggestion for X and Y values are X=4 and Y=2
Why such formula? With minimum drivers limit formula penalize teams with only one driver participating in events. Probability of winning is minimal here. I don't suggest to give 0 point to team that hasn't all members racing particular event. Everybody has a real life and sometimes cannot race. In such cases point penalty shouldn't be so big. With max team drivers limit formula allows big teams with both great and good drivers to all its members to participate in OLFSL under team flag, without hiding anyone. At particular moment team is as strong as its current strongest members. This formula also allows changes in teams during season without penalty.
Let's see some example:
I take last race into consideration (let's take team ZION, S.CORE, GVR and TPC to show all possible cases)
S.CORE: 113+107+101.5+98 (rest we don't take into consideration)
GVR: 100.5+93+92+90.5 (rest we don't take into consideration)
ZION: 100+97+38 (only 3 drivers)
TPC: 110.5 (only one driver)
so the point are:
S.CORE: 419.5 / max(2,4) = 104.8
GVR: 376 / max(2,4) = 94
ZION: 235 / max(2,3) = 78.3
TPC: 110.5 / max(2,1) = 55.25
So the result are: S.CORE (pool 1 mostly and best score), GVR (pool 3 mostly but lot of members allows to keep good place), ZION (different pools, but small amount of members doesn't allow to compete with GVR. One DFH spoils the result) and TPC (pool 1 but with only one member participation in event worst result of all 4).
Looking forward to see how do u like this idea
Best Regards
Mroziu
My idea of team standings is as follow:
Sum of points gained by A=min(X, number of team members participating in particular event) best drivers of team for particular event divided by max(Y,A), where X is max number of drivers taken into consideration, Y is minimum drivers number and A is real number of drivers participation in event. Teams with less than Y drivers subscribed for season are not taken info further computations.
My suggestion for X and Y values are X=4 and Y=2
Why such formula? With minimum drivers limit formula penalize teams with only one driver participating in events. Probability of winning is minimal here. I don't suggest to give 0 point to team that hasn't all members racing particular event. Everybody has a real life and sometimes cannot race. In such cases point penalty shouldn't be so big. With max team drivers limit formula allows big teams with both great and good drivers to all its members to participate in OLFSL under team flag, without hiding anyone. At particular moment team is as strong as its current strongest members. This formula also allows changes in teams during season without penalty.
Let's see some example:
I take last race into consideration (let's take team ZION, S.CORE, GVR and TPC to show all possible cases)
S.CORE: 113+107+101.5+98 (rest we don't take into consideration)
GVR: 100.5+93+92+90.5 (rest we don't take into consideration)
ZION: 100+97+38 (only 3 drivers)
TPC: 110.5 (only one driver)
so the point are:
S.CORE: 419.5 / max(2,4) = 104.8
GVR: 376 / max(2,4) = 94
ZION: 235 / max(2,3) = 78.3
TPC: 110.5 / max(2,1) = 55.25
So the result are: S.CORE (pool 1 mostly and best score), GVR (pool 3 mostly but lot of members allows to keep good place), ZION (different pools, but small amount of members doesn't allow to compete with GVR. One DFH spoils the result) and TPC (pool 1 but with only one member participation in event worst result of all 4).
Looking forward to see how do u like this idea
Best Regards
Mroziu
I have to agree with FienDi about the general attitude of some racers.
We have a great league run by some dedicated people who allow to race not only super races but a casual ones too. Do we pay for this? No.
So please show some respect. I have to admit that I really enjoy racing with you guys on OLFSL. And I think that most of us enjoys it too. So please keep it this way.
And the problem is not that team standing where perfect and the OLFSL staff don't want to hear about any changes, but tone of some post should be changed to keep conversation on major topic.
In my personal opinion current open OLFSL formula doesn't suit well with team standings and team standing shouldn't be something to take a deep look at. There can be a team with one very good racer and a team with several good (not great) racers. Who should be on top? This is quite difficult question to answer. So please everybody who would like to improve them to post some suggestions here and I we can try discuss
Best Regards
Mroziu
We have a great league run by some dedicated people who allow to race not only super races but a casual ones too. Do we pay for this? No.
So please show some respect. I have to admit that I really enjoy racing with you guys on OLFSL. And I think that most of us enjoys it too. So please keep it this way.
And the problem is not that team standing where perfect and the OLFSL staff don't want to hear about any changes, but tone of some post should be changed to keep conversation on major topic.
In my personal opinion current open OLFSL formula doesn't suit well with team standings and team standing shouldn't be something to take a deep look at. There can be a team with one very good racer and a team with several good (not great) racers. Who should be on top? This is quite difficult question to answer. So please everybody who would like to improve them to post some suggestions here and I we can try discuss
Best Regards
Mroziu
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