Simply, different people different opinions.

Some will literally trust that drifting is anything that invloves controlling a car sideways in a sequence of corners(as this would include ff cars too)

Some will believe real drifting can be done only in RWD cars - which I believe.

Some might even have some other theory. Hovewer, I can tell you Woz that a discussion about "FF Drifting" would be same as "drift car" suggestion discussion. Simply, one of those never ending topics. And you would need at least power of Obi-wan to convince others to opinion you believe and vice-versa.

But in this case I just really like the fact that someone tries to organise something now, when no other event is being organised in lfs drift scene. It would suck if organisator would bediscouraged by comments.

I'm against FF cars in drift events, but if I would have to compete against them I wouldn't mind. I would be very impressed hovewer if FF driver did beat me in a drift battle.

But that's not what I want to say. At the moment things are pretty boring in live for speed drift scene, there aren't any events organised right now. They seem to try to make some activity in lfs drift scene and maybe some of you "throwing shit"(I'm overreacting with this one) at them, should show some support or at least keep quiet if you are not even interesting in joining this event.

I would join too, but I am too busy at University now, good luck everyone(Ofcourse biggest good luck to Stan )

Won't be finishing any of those, that's why I've posted. Those are some old wips I've found today. There are more wips I'd like to post, but they are deleted already Wish I saved a wip of every vid I've started, but didn't finnish.

Just found those two, thought I will share

www.saikod.com/clip.wmv - quickly made clip, ending is lazy as you can see - error and simply lazy. But twin action brought me back some memories. True Saiko D power.

www.saikod.com/chriswip1c.wmv - wip of vid I was making for Chris Inc, never had time to finnish it.

Enjoy

Quote from Riders Motion :

+1 For fixing the smoke, making it more realistic.
-1 For arcade mode and make tires 'grip' less just to make it easier.

Can you hovewer say you know that current lfs hot tires have enough grip? Or in other words, are you sure they don't lose grip too easily? If so, please give facts.

Myself I have drifted on "hot tires", certainly not even close to as hot as in lfs, but it was easier to lose grip than with cold, but not as much as in lfs. Based on what I saw in real life(heavy drifting, lots of smoke, hot tires) LFS might be a tad too slippy. I asked once one drifter about how it is on hot tires and kinda never heard opinion like "it's super slidey then". I will try to get more info about that.

Other thing is, LFS might be too easy at losing grip/beginning drift. Not in like.. "needs less skill", but more like not realistic enough. It just does take more effort in real life to begin the drift, except when using a handbrake ofcourse.

I mean that it's mostly a fast circuit(Both hockenheim and nuerburgring). It has slower corners too, like every track. But it has fast sections, and competitions are held on faster sections. So in other words. It is not touge that has many low speed hairpins and very short straights.

Usually drift events are like - High speed corner to midspeed/lowspeed.

As they start fast, and end slower.

Quote from atlantian :

so in short, people what a more powerful car, that's it, if you want a "drift car" tune the suspension... people can do touge all day long in weak cars... because there is not much room for the cars to go that fast. like my town has a road that twists and winds around the island. there are no straights longer then 50 yards.

ok, you don't NEED a fast car to drift. a stock corolla or miata engine is enough! and drift showoffs are typically in very windy low speed sections. not high speed sections or drag strips. and i believe that most cars go sideways fast enough

We do not have touge in lfs that has mostly slow corners. LFS has lots of high speed tracks with high speed corners. Kyoto and Aston are good examples. Events in D1GP japan are Held as well on fast circuits like Fuji Speedway, Autopolis or Suzuka. In D1GP Usa the first section of track is very high speed too. In D1GP all star match you could see how important the power was on the bank exit.

Moreover, in IDC in europe the tracks that are used are F1 circuits such as Hockenheim or Nuerburgring. Those are not Touge with low speed corners and no straights.

Top drift events are often held on HIGH SPEED tracks, not VERY WINDY LOW SPEED SECTIONS.

You don't seem to understand a point of this thread either. People build fast race cars to race faster. People build drift cars to drift faster, longer, more dynamic and with higher angle.

This thread isn't about - "is it possible to drift with current lfs FR cars or not". It's about getting most of it/more of it.

Maybe you have watched too much Initial D.

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Also: Check this out: http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=I-pkTmOpjtQ - Stock miata would sure do as good as those cars. And the crash in vid sure shows how low the speeds are..

Last edited by kamkorPL, Wed 9 Jan 2008, 23:10.

Quote from atlantian :

yes, as i said, there are people that have SPONSORS behind them and have nice cars( i just had no idea that they would have nitrous... TURBOS ALL THE WAY!). And drifting is not about the car, it's about the driver. you can beat a pro in a miata can beat a rookie in a super racer at drifting. and you can tune the suspension in the garage, and as i said, it would be a waste of the dev's time if they actually where to take opinion from this thread and build a drift spec car, which whould be the XRT or the GT with engine boost and a new suspension setup, a little more max lock and that would be it. you can do the engine boosting with LFSTweak

Well. I am afraid that stock car on a fast circuit will not beat proffesionally made drift car that has 450-600hp and is going on semi-slicks like Toyo R888. There's just no way if both drivers are great. Even on slower tracks. Proffesional drift car can put much more angle, can go MUCH faster(Believe me speed IS important in drifting, especially in tsuiso), can go much more stable, much more dynamic. About N20, many cars in D1gp in Japan use this or some other sort of thing to get more power on for example lower revs. Nissans ofcourse still have turbos. Also in D1GP top drivers don't have just 1 car, they have 2-3 the same versions of one car. Really big money must be going into drifting in Japan.

And ofcourse good luck drifting a course like Autopolis in stock bmw or miata.

The last thing you said starting from "the XRT or the GT with engine.." - If you have read the thread you would understand that people already mentioned that this would be good too. Improved version of GTT(XRT). Lighter, with more power, more setup options(like max lock) etc.

Quote from batteryy :

no we dont need a drift car.XRT is good for drifting but it could be modifed to look like a drift car(maybe not bodykit but spoiler...)

No. It doesn't need a spoiler or bodykit. It needs less weight, more suspension adjustments and more power. Besides, I think you don't have XRT right now.

Quote from atlantian :

Drift cars are all stock cars and are required to be street legal to compete.

O Really? I so wish it was just stock cars - I could easily compete then by just buying stock bmw and welding a diff, but it is absolutelly NOT. They are not stock and do not have to be street legal to compete(Depends on series, for example they have to be Street Legal in D1SL, but that's an exception).

Maybe they are stock in your local area, but this is not how it is in events. In events such as D1GP, IDC(in europe), Formula D, EDB(in UK, it was D1GB once) and in national events there are a lot heavily modified cars. With engines taking it to the limits(Nissans for example break a lot). Many cars in Japan also use n20(not with a button). There is Yoshiokas ae86 with that. Suspension are heavily modified and getting the biggest max lock is one of the priorities. There's really a lot in making a proffesional drift car. 200hp to 400-600 = stock? Yeah sure.

If you do not know what you are talking about, please just don't. XRT has over 200hp, but it's heavy. If it was light like AE86 it would be sweet, but it is not. Fz5 has power, but it has shitty layout - RR. And it's not about being able to drift those cars or not, those cars simply SUCK for drifting. XRT could be a good base for making a drift car in real life, as well as in LFS.

I think maybe Scawen would be convinced to make a car well-suited for drifting if someone in UK offered him to drift such a car on a track.

Quote from K. Tsuchiya :

Of course thinking your the best is going to cause you to fall and break your crown, but, knowing your good at something is not terrible.

There is a difference beetwen being cocky and knowing that you are good. You bragged quite much about something that is nothing special. Also the fact that you do this with "a DFP900 and clutch, brake and gas, 700hp, I kid you not." will not impress people or add size to your "thing" Because it's nothing new, and nothing exceptional. You have edited many of your "Bragging" texts, and also edited heavily first post, so you must already realise what i'm talking about.

If you posted a vid, said it's your reedition of RS-R Supra(By the way, how would you know it is perfect?) and wouldn't show off how your real life skills help you, how great you are, and on top of that with wow DFP900 and clutch! Then no one would have 'attacked' you.

Quote from LFSn00b :

- More horsepowers ( 350 / 400 bhp for longer faster slides ) FZ5
- 45 degrees lock for more angel and controling yr drift ) No bloody way, if you cant drift with the lock that is now in LFS, then you just cant.
- better tires that are not to hot after one lap. No
- higer rpm like it was in patch X! now when u are in a drift yr car gets to early in the rev limiter and yr car gets unstable. FZ5

Not this again. :something

Translating your post into real life situation:

"I will drift a Porsche, because it has enough horsepower - 350/400bhp. And hell I won't increase steering lock!! NO WAY!! I'm a driving God, I'm the Stig :eclipseehI can drift a Porsche with stock steering lock".

And "now when u are in a drift yr car gets to early in the rev limiter and yr car gets unstable. FZ5" - Surely Porsche would be the most stable drift car in real life.

I will give few more text like LfsNoob did:

"Why get a girl when you've got a hand?"
"Why install turbo in a car, if you can race it without turbo?"
"Why invent F1 if Karts from shopmarket can be raced as well?"
"Why make movies with software from ie. Avid or Adobe when you have Windows Movie Maker?"
"Why...."

LFS thanks to its physics has ability to simulate many motorsports. It sucks that some people for some reason want to limit this. LFS is now a street car racing sim in a way, gtr cars racing sim, f3 racing sim, f1 racing sim, rallycross racing sim in a way etc. I hope it will get proper support for motorsports like Rally, drifting and more. Be open-minded.

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5haz: Hello Hovewer in drift you would actually want as much grip as possible. Ofcourse this depends on how much power the car has. As much grip as possible, while still being able to hold the drift.

Sure Farley, might as well ask Scawen to limit steering lock to like 25-30 in street cars and give us stock FSO Polonez( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVnl-vmGrqg ) to drift. It's rwd and can have locked diff easily after all.

I bet 50$ you didn't even take your time to read the thread.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Say with a Top Fuel car, you are getting something at the Pinnicle of technology, the fact that Top Fuel cars are simply defying physics of the WORLD, if this was in a game, it would be just ****ing AWESOME, and who DOESN'T like the sound of a V8?

And with a proper car drivers with their skill can defy the physics of the WORLD by drifting.

And drifting as a motorsport is more serious than you think.

Woz: You have summed everything very well in one of your above posts. I'm afraid you will have to post it at least once in every page so people get the point(Especially those that come and give their 5 cents without understanding the subject).

And the other thing...

Quote from BlueFlame :

But the point is, if you can drift the current cars, why do you need a NEW car to do something you can already do?

You can't DRIFT better In one car than in another to the same extent you can't RACE a car better than you can RACE another.

XCNuse already replied but maybe you didn't get his point well enough since later you said again:

Quote from BlueFlame :

Why would one need a special DRIFT car, specifically made for DRIFTING, when you can already DRIFT with the other DRIFTING cars YOU DRIFTING DRIFT DRIFTITY DRIFT person.

In other words. Ask yourself, why would you need a car other than UF1 if you can simply just race UF1?


Some of you should imagine what a real drifter(with a proffesional car) will think when he sees people drifting in lfs.. Drifting porshes, drifting caterhams - the only normal car is actually XR GTT, but it weights a lot and doesn't have power at the same time. That power would be more than enough if it weighted like stripped out Ae86, but it doesn't.

And if someone replies again "You can already drift this and that so blabla" then I'm gonna seriously bite that person. :bitehard:


And about a Drag Racing car that was mentioned lately. Isn't drag racing about mechanics and building the fastest machine. More like "tuners game"? Also the variety of cars counts a lot in it. Therfore what I'm saying is. Ask yourself how much time you would spend racing on a straightway in dragracing car, and how much time you would spend on driving a powerfull, well-balanced, light RWD car that can be both set for racing and drifting.

jibber: Now that reminds of something.. what could it be...

The Very End:

www.bartdrift.pl is a drifter I've persuaded to get a G25 and start playing LFS. He was amazed with its realism, but when I showed him I'm drifting a porshe looking car(FZ5) he was like.. ":dunce:

He likes XRT but still sees it's not a good car. His opinion is that LFS lacks a proper car for drifting.

You have no understanding of drifting as a motorsport, and most likely never took drifting in lfs to a limit, and cannot see the advantage of a new street car that would have more power, good weight balance and more setup options like(more than 36 degrees steering lock. The "hack tool" that allows values change proofs that 45 already helps a lot).

LFS is a race sim? Cool, but I don't think anyone would mind another street car that has a handling of XRT and power of FZ5, or even more power than FZ5.

What you say is: You can just race a 40hp FWD car around the track, so why getting a GTR car since you can race with that 40hp FWD car too.

Last edited by kamkorPL, Tue 25 Dec 2007, 15:34.

There's difference beetwen "just drifting" and drifting. Just like there is a difference beetwen "just racing" and racing.

But all street cars are limited to street tires at the moment.

Getting rid of interior is one of the cheapest mods you can do in real life and at the same time get noticable results.

Hi,

So this discussion oryginally started in another thread, but I think it's very important and everyone will benefit from it.

Currently street cars in lfs are very adjustable - we can mod many things in the suspension, adjust brakes, change gears etc.

But in real life if I was going that far with my street car, the first thing I would do is get rid of the interior and all the weighty parts in it. We use LFS cars on tracks, not on "streets" going shopping etc. We dont need 5 seats.

So suggestion is :

Make two options in lfs for street cars:

1) Stock interior.
2) Ripped off interior with just 1 driver bucket seat and other things modified inside so the car is lighter.

Quote from Riders Motion :

Since they are basically used on track, I think they all deserve to get a strip out and take the shit out of them. Ain't that right?

As I said few times, exactly.

No one is using those cars to shop. If In real life I was going to use a car on a race track, modify it's suspension, tires, diffs, and lots more, first thing I would do is get rid of the interior and generally all the weighty parts I don't need. Cheap modification, yet very effective.

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

So... just a new car, like all others which are also capable of drifting.

Exactly yes.

But I secretly wish it would be something light, with things ripped off from the inside, with engine that has power and setup options with avaibility of for example more steering lock. I also wish it would have semi-slicks and slicks too besides normal/super tires.

So in other words, a base car that normal people could build for driving on track, but customize its suspension to its own needs -
for racing, drifting, or even drag racing if someone is into it. That would be nice.

Please keep demo out of it. This doesn't concern demo at all. No one is suggesting anything for demo version.

And if you didn't like it before in demo when GTT was there you should have bought S2 and supported the devs that way.

Quote from Woz :

If most of the "drift community" that have responded to this thread say we dont need a drift car why does this forum suffer constant spam asking for things like more lock on cars, different rev limiter settings, road tyres on GTR cars etc etc etc.

You are quite much wrong. Drifters asked for more steering lock. You made a poll about a drift car not the drifters(You also made that drift car suggestion on drift max lock thread). And therfore people started giving opinions what that drift car could be. Drifters were ofcourse included in this group of people, and also some guys(could be racers) that have absolutelly no idea what a drift car is, but still had to put their 5 cents into the discussion.

All I truly want is some other proper fast street car with good balance, good power and good weight - with FR layout. I'm sure racers wouldn't mind such car to race to as well. A car that all of you could build in real life for racing on track days, that isn't really a GTR car(very expensive). It could use street tires and as well semi slicks, or maybe even slicks too.

And I wish that insides were throwed away from current street cars. It's setups are very racey, in street cars that race in lfs that is. If someone in real life made such adjustements to the setup of the car he would have gotten rid off of all the useless stuff from the car as well. Or just make it an option. - > Nothing inside, just 1 bucket seat and optionally rollcage, or "Street interior".
Who needs this more weight after all anyway? LFS is not about making trips around the globe with 5 people in the car.

That's a funny thread. Ofcourse I love more realism. Reason why I play lfs and why I lost money on g25.

And nice thing also is, the side mirrors are actually usefull now with the 45 degree look :]