Does racecars have numberplates !?

Just my little thought. It`s good as it is

Quote from Chris P :

I've lost all of my limbs and drive by biting my DFP, moving it from left to right and have put the pedals above my head so I only need to nod to go forwards...

I win?

illepall

This reminds me of an old joke. It`s danish, but I`ll try to translate as good as I can

A policeman stops a cyclist. "You have no bell on your bike - 200 quid fine" - "No front lamp on the bike - 200 quid fine" - "The front brakes are lousy - 200 quid fine" At this time the cyclist has turned a little annoyed with the policeman and says "Look over there. That man hasn`t even got a bike" - "How much will you fine him"

I like most of the cars. I`m not to glad with, Fz50, lx6 and the two fastest openwheelers.

When you see the most driven cars and tracks, then the cars that have most points in this poll, are in the bottom five !?

How come that they are so popular here !?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

And a few hundred sailors.

Hmm - I will not develope that picture

I don`t have a preprogrammed button, for the sorry thing. If I make a mistake, I wait for the opponent, to pass me, and then I say sorry. If it was a big mistake, I press the garage button, to show my regrets

Sorry isn`t enough, you HAVE to show that you are sorry. Way to many people just press "sorry" and go on. In my book, they are not sorry.

I have no nuttons for the cars horn either. Who, out there, have ever seen a racecar with a horn !? People using their horns in a race, should get kicked instantly - If they do it again, ban them

Rally with Uf1000 or the Xfg, is greaaaat fun
I like those close races, in those small cars. The bigger cars, I don`t like so much. (Rally offcourse )

Quote from Shotglass :

it probably wont sound as good in the near future but it will yield a hell of a lot more inforamtion on what the engine is actually doing and how you should modulate the throttel

Precisely stated

If you read, what had happen to the engine sounds, then I can only vote U32.

I drove the Xfg for some hours, last nigth, and Now I`m used to the new sound. I think this vote, should be prosponed a fourthnigth, or longer

Then we can cast our votes

Quote from loopingz :

I have to admit you are quite right, but some french are more enthusiastic than me ! Anyway lfs rocks, i do my best to make other french understand it !

What is it, with Americans, and you french people -

Quote from nihil :

As an artist with over two decades of practical and theoretical experience, I can confidently say this debate will go nowhere. Whenever anyone uses the R word (realism), you can guarantee hours of circular arguments - because none of it is real. It is all imagery, representation.

Immersion comes from the appropriate form of representation being used in the most appropriate way. LFS does that very well for people who require the game to respond to input in a believably naturalistic manner. It is not more real (it is still a 2d image being updated so many times a second), and if you're in the mood for something a bit less cerebral there are other places to go. Its a choice, but I don't see there is any moral value in choosing 'realism' over any other 'ism'.

And it is a game. Simulators are a subset of the category called games. (that's my buttons pushed and released for today )

Off course this is very subjective inputs, we are talking about - Every thing you experience is subjective

If I experience Lfs, as a really good and realistic simulator, who are you, to tell me that it isn`t !? If you are dreaming lively, then the dream becomes real, for the time beeing. No one can tell, if you are dreaming, or it is the real deal

So the application runs on my pc, and makes vivid images in my brain. When driving the Lfs simulator, it is easy to forget that this is not the real deal ! Driving Nfs, Gtr2 and games like that, never puts me in the same state of mind.

And the most important imputs, you get through the eyes. I think it is 80%. 15% through the ears and 5 % through taste and olfactory impressions. (There is people which vary from this - This is the common percentage, for ordinary people)

So a good game, experienced through eyes and ears are often, much to real
I saw an article in a danish newspaper. They said that game addiction, is simular to drug addiction. So !

Are you for real

EDIT :

Sorry if something i wrote, is wrong, in a linguistic manner. This is hard to express one self, on this technical level, in a foreign language

Last edited by alland44, Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:33.

Quote from Dupson :

Im not talking bout saturation level or not, when mentioning about NFS. Sorry guys - yes i dont like NFS - but graphics there (even tho you ll get rid of oversaturation and tons of special effects) are BETTER. Look at the car models for example.... Overall image quality is better. Sorry guys but dont let your love to lfs blind your sight. Thats it.

What you re saying about effects equals to situation when sum1 would state nfs1(first game from this series) has better graphics then lfs s2, but lfs s2 uses special effects like "reflection maps" and "trilinear filtering"... ....hellooo...

Lfs has "ok" graphics for now and had good graphics for the time s2 just gone up. But "fantastic" is, with all my sympathy to lfs, a simple overreacting. If im wrong then check bhmotorsports - pick new relases and tell me few words about graphics there. What will u say ? "super hyper mega fantastic"?? or just "super fantastic".

The fact is it would be qood to see some graphic improvements in lfs. Im not the right person to make requests-im not licensed, but u are. ive just written whats my opinion in this matter.

ps. Ok im prepared for flaming me
"damn u little demo racer!! LFS has best graphics in the world !! how dare u !!"
greetings

You miss a point Mister !

We are not talking about eyecandy - We are talking about realism. This is a simulator and not a game.

Lfs beats, every, and I say again, EVERY other sim, in that subjective thing, called feeling. YES ! All the games have got a lot better graphic, and a lot better sound - But they look like FAKE cartoons.

So, in a game like NFS, the car looks stunning, but the feeling dies here. In Lfs, realism beats the hell outta every game I`ve seen. That`s the difference, and that`s a BIG difference

Even, if there was only one car, and one track, and I had to choose between, Lfs and the rest of the pack, I would choose Lfs again. Better one quality product, than 20 mediocre games.

So try to understand - Lfs is a process, and everybody who wants to take part in it, is invited. Nfs, Gtr2, Rfactor etc are "just" finished commercial products OK - Lfs maby is commercial, in a way, too - But this is grassroot development, where the quality and feel for the "game" is the most important thing, than the eye candy you like so much.

I still watch replays, just to enjoy my car driving around a track.
It`s really an enjoyment, and I can`t stop wondering, how real the car looks, on it way around the circuit.

I just downloaded the wtcc demo, and I have got Gtr 2 and the R factor demoes. It`s like cartoons, watching those games

I think we are lucky - Lucky to follow the development of a ga.. ehhhhhhhhh, make it simulator, bit by bit. And the value for money It makes me smile

We liked S1 - We like every bit of improvement, they throw our way. So many joyfull moments, is to come

Small errors is corrected within hours - What more can one ask for I really hope, they will take their time, finishing this product, because this is the best community I`ve ever been part of

And this little bit, by bit - You get an addiction of it. I like beeing an addict in this case.

All I need to say now, I guess, is AMEN !!

I have a record to claim. I was the first to see and report an AI pit

Proof in this thread :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... 241&highlight=ai+pits

Quote from JohnUK89 :

Longest ever collision detection caused spin: 2 minutes, set by me
Proof is at http://ukct.net/dlfiles/JohnSpin1.wmv

Great stuff mate
Man i laughed at this

For the time beeing, I drive with 0 degrees. For a while ago, I did set the compensation to .50 and steering lock to 180 degrees for the rwd cars.

I use a momo wheel, but should have gotten my G25 yesterday

Quote from Andy S2K :

i have u30 patch. I download drift setting on inferno home page. I put them in the settign folder, nut when i enter the game and go to the car i don't see any settings!! why? it's a partch proiblem or i put the settings in the wrong folder?

Are you 100% sure, of the name of the car
I sometimes get the fxr, when I come for xfr

I switch sides

I will pay absolutely nothing

I`m fond of the present tracks, and thes tracks, that you find in Lfs, is as real, as the known tracks.

I`m here for the racing - The track doesn`t matter to much. I really like what we`ve got now

Cars and laps !

Quick fun races

Quote from Woz :

I agree that the gearing in the DFP does create a max rotational speed. This is not a "hard" limit but you are fighting against the motor even when the forces are with you when trying to rotate it faster. This is why some find it harder to drift, I guess I just adapted to this so it was not an issue.

The other effect that comes in with the DFP on high force settings is a notchiness, almost like you can feel the steps of a stepper motor. I found I had to run high forces as the DFP didnt give the forces I wanted unless I wound it up high, so I had to live with those.

For me though the realistic lock more than made up for those short comings, its another mental translation removed from playing a sim.

With the G25 the desighn changed and they use twin smaller motors. These operate far faster and the gearing is such that the G25 is at least twice as fast as the DFP. You can also run it at lower forces and then you don't feel the motors but still get very stong forces.

For me the DFP was still far better than the MS FF or the Saitek R440 I had before. It added far more to LFS than it took away and so I still rate it very highly. I could drift with 720lock without ANY issues but I guess you just learn to adapt to the wheel you have.

That said its pedals are poor so I used the ActLabs pedals instead.

I own a Microsoft FF wheel, and have owned a Dfp. I use a MOMO untill my G25 arrives on the first of december (Hopefully)

I did like the Microsoft FF wheel, but it don`t allways work with Lfs. Microsoft has stopped updating the software, to this piece of hardware, years ago. Also i owned a red cheap Logitech FF wheel. The Momo is the best wheel, no doubt about that. But my wheel, tends to lock a little in the mid position. That is not good. And the pedals ???

They really stink. If I wiggle my foot a little to the left, the thrust goes down 5 - 7 %. If I remember to wiggle to the rigth I have full power

I can`t wait for the G25 now, to get a clutch pedal

Please folks !

I have stated, that I have nothing against you drifters. As long as you don`t start drifting in my races

Drifting or knitting, I`m just not interested - And I would blame knitting too, if somebody brougth it up in this forum - PUBLIC

It`s fine, if some guys, want to drift, and I`m sure that the devs, will make it better, as the development goes on. They want to simulate everything on wheels - Maby forklift`s and lawnmowers too

Some like the daugther, some the mother, and a few the father ! hehe

I have said what I wanted now, so I`m not comming back, to answer any more critics, of my opinion.

Quote from Gabkicks :

. . you can say the same thing about racing. you are driving around in circles finding the fastest line to nowhere. Wasting fuel, wasting tires, and hours you could spend "doing something else that isn't a waste of time". racing around a track for what? With drifting its about making the car oversteer and controlling a slide while trying to get as big angle and speed as possible.

Please people use that gray matter between your ears. If you dont have the capacity to apreciate something, then i guess its just your loss.


this is futile. seriously nobody posts in this thread to learn.

No !

Drifting is nothing but SHOWOFF - Don`t compare it to racing, because racing is an exact sport, which can be measured - No style characters and showoff points.

Drifting is like wrestling - The Americans style Those fake wrestlers simulating a real figthing sport

But you and your friends can drift as much as you like. I have no problems with that. As long as you enjoy Lfs your way

But when you compare racing with drifting, in a public forum, I will say what I mean

I really don`t understand drifting, neither I feel for it. I have seen those crazy japanese in their drift competitions - But only for 4 minutes or so
The same japanese people also loves to stand in a game arcade, watching tiny steel balls drop down from the top. Hundreds of those small steel balls is passing, and only japanese people understands this game - And feels for it

So !
You keep drifting, I keep racing and : You don`t drift on a racetrack near me - LOL !

Last edited by alland44, Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:55.

Quote from ALPA1981 :

hi dear community

iam interestet in buying an Logitech G25 Steering wheel.
The G25 has 900° Modus, and i want to know how it is to drive LFS with this modus

Thx ALPA

I`m a forklift driver, and I are used to much more than 900° - In Lfs there are no use for it

Quote from Becky Rose :

Many members of the community are racers, they are not here for syncronised swimming, ballet, or gymnastics, but to race cars. No part of drifting is about racing, it's about car control within a very limited field, and does not use many of the same skills a racing driver uses - which is what the majority of the community is interested in.

That's not to say drifting is in some way wrong, but it's like publishing a rugby movie - nobody cares.

very well said

Racing is finding the fastest line. Drifting is a total waste of time, and showing off.

I can`t find any reason to start drifting And I will never, ever "respect" a drifter, even if he/she was the worlds best drifter.

Hmmm

I voted realism.

You see, when you have participated in a race, with many others, and did well - Then It`s pure joyride to watch the replay, from different cars and different angles etc.

No other sim gives you the same feeling, of "the real thing" as Lfs does. I have tried the most of the sims/cargames, when my brother got a pc and started to drive these sims. I tried to make his computer up to the standards, and saw all of these car games/simulators. I drove a few miles, but I was not hooked at all. Then I stumbled over this ugly little demo of a car sim called Live for speed. I installled it, and I didn`t own a wheel that time

I got hooked instantly - What was this !? The cars were hard to drive, and they reacted as you would suppose a car should act ! From day one, no, no, no ! From the first minute, I knew this was different, and worthwhile "playing". I borrowed an old wheel from my brother, and the rest is history. (For me )

I have bougth Toca racedriver, and Gtr2 for a lot of money. I have played with these two games, for an hour, or so ! They don`t enchant me, as Live For Speed does. Because ...

THEY HAVE NO SOUL !