Andrew Benson, the first journalist to write an article Vettel was passing illegally when most other British journalist knew much better of what's going on and didn't bother mentioning it, and then quick to point out the passes were in fact legal.
From what I'm reading the flags do take priority over the lights on the wheel and whatever interactive map they've got. Thank god for that cos obviously from this race those systems ain't particularly reliable.
Different culture.
The European viewers will think that if you ain't even allow to drive the other car on the outside off at the exit of the corner, or not even allowed to block on straight, then that is total bullshit.
PS. from what I understand it is exactly the same part, supplied by Renault, that failed on BOTH Vettel and Grosjean car?
the only stupidity for Lewis was he forgot he was racing with someone stupid.
I'd love to see Maldonado fly off into the air if Kimi didn't back off at T1 lap 1. Then he'll think twice about the way he race.
Maldonado have been chopping people off squeezing people off the track throughout the race, and he's crying when Lewis gave him his own medicine.
Hamilton left him a car width on the left hander, but Maldonado crashed straight into the side of Lewis.
Yes Lewis should know what type of person he's racing with and he should've thought more on the championship, but Maldonado deserve his own medicine from time to time.
And of course, Maldonado couldn't have cried to the stewards he got pushed off the track, the stewards will just show him the video of how he pushed Kimi off the track multiple times in this race alone. And I reckon his chop on Kimi at the start at the flat out T1 was pretty dangerous.
Whichever way I looked at it, it was the HRT turning right and into the left rear of Vettel?
How come so many people were saying it was more Vettel's fault?
To me it was a slight misjudgement of Narain as to where the front corner of his car was, with a terrible consequences for the car he hit. It's a racing incident but of a type which the stewards would usually issue a penalty, and they did.
How come so many people were saying it was more Vettel's fault?
To me it was a slight misjudgement of Narain as to where the front corner of his car was, with a terrible consequences for the car he hit. It's a racing incident but of a type which the stewards would usually issue a penalty, and they did.
There were some very touching interview with him on youtube.
One was at Melbourne when he finish 2nd in the V8s support race for F1, and the other more recently at Sandown. I can't even begin to comprehend how he could have a smile on his face when he was delivering some pretty bad news regarding his cancer.
There were tears in my eyes after watching these again.
A truly great guy enjoying his racing when he knows full well it's his last days. R.I.P.
One was at Melbourne when he finish 2nd in the V8s support race for F1, and the other more recently at Sandown. I can't even begin to comprehend how he could have a smile on his face when he was delivering some pretty bad news regarding his cancer.
There were tears in my eyes after watching these again.
A truly great guy enjoying his racing when he knows full well it's his last days. R.I.P.
that was the ONLY reason how he finished ahead of Ricciardo~
he was a d!ck on the first lap spinning Trulli round too.
great, everyone is still arguing for Canada in a thread for Spa.
As for the Button - Alonso crash at Canada, many seems to have forgotten that Alonso was only just out of the pits. And it should be the one coming out of the pits to make sure he merge onto the track safely, which Alonso didn't as Button was already there. Which was why nothing happened even if it looked like Button was more at fault.
Martin Brundle brushed his interview off as "nonsense", and I'm sure deep inside his mind he thought Maldonado was talking fken-bulls..t.
It made me felt even more sad that Hulkenburg was replaced by this stupid prick just cos this idiot got a heck more sponsorship money.
No worries, we know who is the one that doesn't know how racing work in the real world.
With reference to those pictures above, was it just me, or was the rear of the Sauber wider than the front, but it looked like Kobayashi's car was already pointing to the right slightly?
Fact is, there are no money for securing a second in the driver's championship. The money is at the Constructor's Championship, that's why it was normal and correct from the team's point of view to order them to hold station.
And as I said before, a team ordering their driver's to hold station towards the end of a race, is nothing special in all form of motorsport (when teams are involved). Get over that, or if you really dislike it, then I think there are many many forms of motorsport you shouldn't watch.
what is with all these bashing on Red Bull's logic and "team order"?
Ordering the drivers in the same team to hold position is nothing new in all forms of motorsport.
As for the argument on why didn't they let Webber past, it's obvious that Vettel were massively disadvantaged by that bad pit stop. Which meant Vettel has to stop early in the final stop to undercut Hamilton, and in doing so he had to push like mad, which wear the tyres down quicker. That's why Webber was faster towards the end, and would be hugely unfair if they'd let Webber pass Vettel.
Ordering the drivers in the same team to hold position is nothing new in all forms of motorsport.
As for the argument on why didn't they let Webber past, it's obvious that Vettel were massively disadvantaged by that bad pit stop. Which meant Vettel has to stop early in the final stop to undercut Hamilton, and in doing so he had to push like mad, which wear the tyres down quicker. That's why Webber was faster towards the end, and would be hugely unfair if they'd let Webber pass Vettel.
he wasn't racing with anyone so.....
For the Monaco one, he lost ONE (or two) position for the penalty of cutting the chicane. That's from 7th to 9th, and the track was for whatever reason not as quick as before, as no one was able to improve their time after the red flag.
And that was no bad luck about the red flag, it was Monaco for god sakes and red flags would be likely, and I can't believe how everyone in the team basically overlooked that fact. It was something the team, and actually Lewis himself too, should have anticipated.
But no point arguing about Monaco after the Canadian GP now...
"I don't agree that it was more Hamilton's fault than Button's. Jenson clearly knew Lewis was there after he was slow exiting the final chicane - his head tilts twice as he is watching Lewis hard in his mirrors. The incident is 50-50 blame in my view at best." quoted from Martin Brundle.
Anyway, agreed that Lewis really need to calm down, and to get out of the mentality that Vettel can pull out in front but I can't because Red Bull is better in qualifying, so I need to drive agreesively to try to win in the race.
In Monaco Lewis was on the backfoot because the team made a strategic error. But in Canada he'd got only himself to blame (rather than trying to blame the car for not being fast enough) for the position he had put himself in.
It was not necessarily "mistakes", but rather perhaps a wrong approach to how he races.
Mind you, I wasn't saying it was Button's fault, because in the circumstances he wouldn't have saw Lewis in his mirrors.
It was a racing incident, nothing to do with Lewis being too agreesive (in that instance anyway, Lewis was a bit too agreesive in a few other occasion, but not that one) and nothing to do with being Jensen's fault for not being able to see Lewis.
The steward's decision said that Button was not penalised because they had reasonable ground to believe Button hadn't saw Hamilton in the mirrors. It would have been different had it been reasonable to believe Jensen could saw Lewis in the mirrors.
And mind you, journalists dont' go up and down the pitlane to interview every single one and ask them "what do you think of that incident"? And people don't go upto the journalists to actively offer to them their views would they? And some journalists do know who they are after to grab the "correct" headline.
I will wait a couple more days before letting you off with the last laugh. (Aka waiting for the blogs on BBC F1 site)
The point was had Jensen saw Lewis in the mirrors, and judging from the wording of the stewards that if they had reasonable ground to believe Jensen did saw Lewis in the mirrors (aka if the race was dry), then Jensen would have got the penalty.
But the circumstances was that it was wet and it was a racing incident, not Button's fault for not seeing Lewis, and not Lewis' fault for "being overly agreesive".
Always "someone else's fault", to quote from DC, is a quality that most of the drivers that managed to win multiple championships had.
Why do I know better than former F1 drivers? You have only quoted very few former F1 drivers who spoke out, and there were plenty more that wasn't interviewed. And fact was, Button HIMSELF felt the need to apologised to Hamilton. So Button must be a stupid idiot to go and apologise when everyone think it wasn't his fault?
And for god sakes, the track was a good 6-8 car lengths wide, and Button for going where his nose was pointing, was actually pushing another driver towards the wall in that circumstances. Check out what happened to Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello at Hungary last year, Michael was also going where his nose was pointing, and had he not retired from the race the stewards would have black flagged him for doing that and pushing Barrichello into the wall, and Michael did received a 10 positions grid penalty for the next race.
To quote from the autosport article:
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Who here said Hamilton was always right? You are making it sound like Hamilton was always in the wrong.
And FYI Button had actually appologised to Hamilton, basically something along the line of sorry he didn't saw Lewis in his mirrors and if he had he wouldn't have stick to the normal racing line which resulted in pushing Lewis into the wall.
Fact was, Lewis didn't need to lift in a situation like this. And it was unfortunately that because of the circumstances (apparantly thanks to the spray), Jensen couldn't see Lewis in his mirrors, which was the cause of the accident.
If someone is a maniac for pulling alongside another driver on the straight for trying to pass, then why the heck do we even have a "race"?
Hamilton never lets go?
Watch it again, he lifted off before they touch, had he kept his foot in it would have been BOTH McLaren crashing out of the GP...
It was neither guy's fault, Button (arguably) was on the racing line and he claims he couldn't see anything from his mirrors because of the spray. And Lewis was legitimately trying to pass down the inside, but unfortunately the racing line on the start/finish straight wasn't straight.
from the Eurosport schedule, Le Mans will be back on in 1hr 45min... 
Is everyone that was behind that tyre wall alright?
There were a lot of people standing there...
There were a lot of people standing there...
I do agree with Lewis being penalised. Just wanted to say it wasn't completely his fault as that's what looked like you were saying.
1. Having watched it again yes Massa was helped into Webber. But at the speed and angle that Massa took the corner, I can't see how much chance he had of not hitting Webber even if Lewis wasn't there.
2. So Lewis would better off carrying more speed into the corner, run wide, and run Maldonado straight into the wall instead of banging him into the wall?
3. They might not have the responsibility to give room and give way, but have the responsibility to the team to bring home the points, and as a result of not giving room we all saw how much it cost them. Lewis got penalised but he still made the finish.
4. So Vettel is a coward or quitter for letting Hamilton through for the win in China?
Maldonado can be seen as the one that helped throw away a much needed 7th for Williams now.
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