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What is happening in Ukraine?
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Poll : Do you think Russia has the right to invade / defend Ukraine?

No
101
Yes
10
@bishtop Well, this is art shelling in both of your videos. And not jet fighters.And again on the video says ukraina and where exactly? It looks like another shelling of Luhansk from the ukr side.
Quote from dfgjkl :@bishtop Well, this is art shelling in both of your videos. And not jet fighters.And again on the video says ukraina and where exactly? It looks like another shelling of Luhansk from the ukr side.

LOL , and its in Kharviv,

Another video of cluster bombs in Kharviv, looking forward to your spin on this one Big grin

https://youtu.be/npB-9eHBl_8?t=57

Also the following video , shows who Russians believe is a nazi(from previous protest)

https://youtu.be/MsfUiTJv2lE?t=1856

The following shows that the people have never really been behind Putin

https://youtu.be/MsfUiTJv2lE?t=1860
@bishtop I did not claim that this was Lugansk, but I assumed,can't understand the video from the angle.Then Kharkov view of the shelling of the city where is the Russian jet fighter?
does your media show this?
https://youtu.be/mvNuMmnzZ0Y
Ukrainian soldiers with a yellow armband
Quote from dfgjkl :@bishtop I did not claim that this was Lugansk, but I assumed,can't understand the video from the angle.Then Kharkov view of the shelling of the city where is the Russian jet fighter?
does your media show this?
https://youtu.be/mvNuMmnzZ0Y
Ukrainian soldiers with a yellow armband

You mentioned Lugansk, i did not mention it once, either directly or indirectly ?

Considering Ukraine does not have cluster bombs and Russia used them by the thousands in syria that speaks the facts.

And a Ukrainian soldier wearing a yellow armband, yes and ? what is this video supposed to be portraying.

I know the use of the armbands, but it has been said that "Saboteur elements of the Russian military have now started wearing a distinct yellow band in an attempt to infiltrate and mix in with Ukrainians who wear the bands for easy identification and to avoid “friendly fire”

Remember their is no Russian media, only the state run media which tells you Putins narrative. True?
Quote from bishtop :You mentioned Lugansk, i did not mention it once, either directly or indirectly ?

I explained why I mentioned Lugansk.

Quote from bishtop :Considering Ukraine does not have cluster bombs and Russia used them by the thousands in syria that speaks the facts.

"Ukraine does not have cluster bombs" evidence? and I never saw the Russian jet in your videos

Quote from bishtop :And a Ukrainian soldier wearing a yellow armband, yes and ? what is this video supposed to be portraying.

sorry I had to write a description of the video - March 03, Melitopol 2022 humanitarian aid from the Russian side, Ukrainian soldiers with a yellow armband are helping, the operator draws attention to the Ukrainian flag that has not been removed, that is, this is not the capture of the country, other goals ...

Quote from bishtop :Remember their is no Russian media, only the state run media which tells you Putins narrative. True?

you are so interesting, you always decide for us how we think Smile No, no one tells us how to think, understand?
Quote from dfgjkl :And this is Melitopol Today
https://youtu.be/rLFTTEMdXq4

This is melitopol

https://youtu.be/YyymNLeEoUs

https://news.sky.com/video/ukr ... ces-abduct-mayor-12564025

Keep showing videos that putin wants people to see, not what is really going on Big grin

Quote from dfgjkl :I explained why I mentioned Lugansk.



"Ukraine does not have cluster bombs" evidence? and I never saw the Russian jet in your videos



sorry I had to write a description of the video - March 03, Melitopol 2022 humanitarian aid from the Russian side, Ukrainian soldiers with a yellow armband are helping, the operator draws attention to the Ukrainian flag that has not been removed, that is, this is not the capture of the country, other goals ...



you are so interesting, you always decide for us how we think Smile No, no one tells us how to think, understand?

The irony, i am pissing myself laughing at you. You say that, yet isnt that what putin is doing and your spreading here ? hahaha
Quote from bishtop :This is melitopol

and where is bloodshed? I noticed one man in a mask there, he did not disdain humanitarian aid in my first video about melitopol and now he's protesting Omg omg omg

stock up on diapers Thumbs up


short version https://youtu.be/Bhd714Db1v4
Quote from dfgjkl :and where is bloodshed? I noticed one man in a mask there, he did not disdain humanitarian aid in my first video about melitopol and now he's protesting Omg omg omg

stock up on diapers Thumbs up


short version https://youtu.be/Bhd714Db1v4

Melitopol where the mayor was kidnapped and a pro-russian one installed.

more from melitopol

https://www.theguardian.com/wo ... occupied-southern-ukraine

A video from mariupol, which is also getting destroyed

https://youtu.be/E4o6k5D7x7I

Me stock up on diapers PMSL, still didnt answer my comment about the irony of you saying that im telling people what to think, all the while your posting what Putin is making others think.

The irony of it all, you left Russia long ago
It has now been reached out of hands... out of control. Let's see how things will settle now.

EDIT: I mean this propaganda situation
Quote from bishtop :The effects of cluster bombs is determined by the amount of bomblets added.

Heres another cluster bomb video (Not from the Ukraine attack, just to show how the effect can be changed)

https://youtu.be/GYDUN_e9Xis?t=30

R.I.P Altezza
((((( Someone loved it and been spending all his free time and money on it.
Quote from bishtop :still didnt answer my comment about the irony of you saying that im telling people what to think, all the while your posting what Putin is making others think.

saying "you" did not mean you personally, but people from the west. and i said
Quote :you always DECIDE for us how we think

Quote from bishtop :The irony of it all, you left Russia long ago

I'm not going to write my biography here.in short.my family moved from south to west ussr now its east europ.
I think you are being extremely stupid.

To deliberately be a Putin puppet despite all the evidence, is just ridiculous. You sound like some kind of comedy brainwashed person. It's so extreme and absurd. I seriously wonder if you are putting it on for the lols. Uhmm

Do you know, that the destruction of Mariupol is so extreme, that 80% of the civilian housing has been destroyed? I admit, I haven't been there, but I've seen pictures distributed by free press.

I can predict your dumb response. Obviously you will tell me it's pure fiction, no way a Russian would target civilian housing. You might even suggest that the Ukrainians blew it all up themselves to prove a point. I'm actually angered in advance by the total rubbish you will come up with. Open your eyes. Or... maybe you really are doing this for the laughs, enjoying seeing us get wound up.
Quote from Scawen :I think you are being extremely stupid.

I can be.

Can it be that you are blind, perhaps naive looking for easy answers?
There is no possible defence for invading a country and destroying cities.

There was no defence for Bush and Blair doing it in Iraq. These men should be prosecuted for war crimes.

Similarly there is no excuse for Putin to do this now. He is an international war criminal too.

There is no way that a sane person can see what is happening now and say that is a good thing. So either you are insane or you cannot see what is happening (brainwashed and stupid, as I mentioned before).
Quote from Scawen :There is no possible defence for invading a country and destroying cities.

The invasion of France in 1814? Invasion of Italy 1943? Invasion of France and Poland 1944 and subsequently Germany from both sides? Invasion of Manchuria 1945?


(not defending this Ukraine invasion, which is clearly not justified, just making a side point)
Oh dear, we have do be very precise, don't we?

So I'll go back to the first time I said much the same thing, when I was more careful to justify each word:

Quote from Scawen :It's not acceptable to invade other countries an an attempt to bring them into alignment or for strategic interests. It wasn't acceptable when war criminals Bush and Blair invaded Iraq, despite its awful leader Saddam Hussein. It wasn't acceptable to invade Afghanistan, despite the atrocious Taliban. Neither of these invasions have had a good outcome. And now Putin joins the ranks of Blair and Bush as international war criminal. It's an ugly club to be in. These guys are megalomaniacs who have very little concern about killing people to secure power for themselves.

Quote from Scawen :There is no possible defence for invading a country and destroying cities.

i support that!!! but history has its own opinion on this matter ...

Quote from Scawen :There was no defence for Bush and Blair doing it in Iraq. These men should be prosecuted for war crimes.

but they are free!

Quote from Scawen :Similarly there is no excuse for Putin to do this now. He is an international war criminal too.

why not? Do you think he is worse than those you listed?

Quote from Scawen :There is no way that a sane person can see what is happening now and say that is a good thing. So either you are insane or you cannot see what is happening (brainwashed and stupid, as I mentioned before).

stop wishful thinking.
Are you deliberately trying to read what I say in a way that is not what I meant? Or do you believe, as Putin does (I've heard him say this) that Bush & Blair's actions are a reasonable excuse for Putin's actions?

No, the actions of one war criminal do not justify those of another. These warmongers should all be locked up, and prosecuted for war crimes, as I've been saying about Bush and Blair the whole time since their illegal invasion of Iraq that made a mockery of "international law" and perhaps even destroyed the whole concept of international law.
FFS!! forget Putin forget Bush & Blair's!!!!
you not thnik you pick answers from tv,internet!!!
think with your head!!
Quote from dfgjkl :FFS!! forget Putin forget Bush & Blair's!!!!
you not thnik you pick answers from tv,internet!!!
think with your head!!

I guess you think the Russian military is just in Ukraine having a vacation, right?
Quote from gu3st :I guess you think the Russian military is just in Ukraine having a vacation, right?

I believe the correct deffinition according to the kreml propaganda is military operation against nazis. And ukrainian civilists are awaiting their rescue with flowers and baloons.
Kyiv - The Tragic History of Ukraine's Capital

https://youtu.be/eozIOzO0P_0

I'm pleased to see the opposition to this pointless war, however I do think that the same level of opposition to Western pointless wars would have made many commentators sound less hypocritical. Just my opinion. Shrug
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