After much consideration the decision has been made to select http://www.cityliga.de/stream as livestream provider. Twitch is interesting but too unreliable for low bandwidth connections. I will commentate tonight on my own because everybody else wants to race (ppff) ... So eehhh feel welcome to drop by, recording will be uploaded to Youtube.. If everything goes according to plan...

o/

---
Youtube playlist of previous streams of this season: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtKkLbI_7CSkGyzKMaRXnbqQ5Afh85gxi

Why don't you guys go with Twitch? It is far more popular than hitbox and on Twitch you would get more unfamiliar people to watch it.

Twitch is great.

Because Twitch uses Flash instead of HTML5 and with CL10-hours race it was for some people quite buggy.. Lots of complains also from streamers@Twitch about this, they basically don't have their things properly setup and only target the big boys... Anyway, it's hitbox for now. :flower:

twitch is still more popular though

hitbox lags really bad for me while Twitch works perfectly... o_O

I'd advise you to use CherryPlayer, guys. This is a new modern powerful and convenient player where Twitch is already integrated as well as YouTube. This player is absolutely doesn't load system, CPU, does not cause lags and slow downs because of using hardware acceleration. Recommend to all.

stream will be in jutub?

Quote from cuprum :

stream will be in jutub?

Nope. CherryPlayer streams YouTube from YouTube and Twitch from Twitch by means of their native api.

You can easily get hitbox streams into your favorite desktop player. http://www.hitbox.tv/api/player/hls/channelname.m3u8

So for cityliga you would open http://www.hitbox.tv/api/player/hls/cityliga.m3u8 (in vlc "media" "open network stream")

Yes, yes, yes. One program here, another there, getting links, copy/paste and bla-bla-bla. For your information there are much more modern technologies

Quote from MousemanLV :

hitbox lags really bad for me while Twitch works perfectly... o_O

You reported that you fixed the problem later.

I've read that Google Chrome is the best performing browser for Hitbox but I think Opera works well also...

Twitch really has some issues, at least during CL10Hours, I had issues myself with stopped/buggy stream, I saw a lot of complains on the internetz from other gamers... It has no transcoding capabilities for anybody which is a small streamer, Hitbox has less strict rules but also not low enough to meet our tiny requirements. It was really hard to make a decision but reliability must superseed popularity. Hitbox is more properly constructed, for the moment.

Quote from cuprum :

stream will be in jutub?

I don't have login details for https://www.youtube.com/user/cityliga so I will upload the recording to https://www.youtube.com/user/GenuineRacingLFS ... Currently uploading now.. Hour remaining... (2.5 Gb )

According to Youtube the link will be this: http://youtu.be/_4en0UaF2wQ

---
We did dual streaming for CL10Hours (Twitch+Youtube) ... Maybe we do this again for the XMas 12Hour event but for the normal season Hitbox and Youtube recording upload should be sufficient.

Quote from cargame.nl :

Quote from MousemanLV :

hitbox lags really bad for me while Twitch works perfectly... o_O

You reported that you fixed the problem later.

I've read that Google Chrome is the best performing browser for Hitbox but I think Opera works well also...

Twitch really has some issues, at least during CL10Hours, I had issues myself with stopped/buggy stream, I saw a lot of complains on the internetz from other gamers... It has no transcoding capabilities for anybody which is a small streamer, Hitbox has less strict rules but also not low enough to meet our tiny requirements. It was really hard to make a decision but reliability must superseed popularity. Hitbox is more properly constructed, for the moment.

Quote from cuprum :

stream will be in jutub?

I don't have login details for https://www.youtube.com/user/cityliga so I will upload the recording to https://www.youtube.com/user/GenuineRacingLFS ... Currently uploading now.. Hour remaining... (2.5 Gb )

According to Youtube the link will be this: http://youtu.be/_4en0UaF2wQ

---
We did dual streaming for CL10Hours (Twitch+Youtube) ... Maybe we do this again for the XMas 12Hour event but for the normal season Hitbox and Youtube recording upload should be sufficient.

I also read that twitch gives less upload bandwidth for less popular channels. But I looked on active users on hitbox and twitch and it seems to me twitch popularity in 100 times more! Of course if your stream will laggy all time on twitch then popularity has not value for you.

I recommend you to stream on twitch and test watching this stream on another machine in desktop CherryPlayer that uses hardware acceleration. CherryPlayer works similar to VLC and MPC-HC and you can read in Google that playback stream in these desktop players can fix twitch lags. CherryPlayer has advantage compare to these players as it has integrated twitch features like tops, search, login, selecting and changing stream quality during stream playback, so CherryPlayer is more convenient.

Probably one disadvantage of CherryPlayer is that it does not allow to follow and subcribe for now to channel, but Twitch was added recently to this player so probably these features will be added very sooner too.

Quote from cargame.nl :

According to Youtube the link will be this: http://youtu.be/_4en0UaF2wQ

The stream resolution seems to be oddly set or something, because it's not shown on full screen, but instead there are black bars around it.

Yup.. Thats because I ignored a warning message that I was streaming/recording in 5:3 mode instead of 16:9 .. Didn't see any difference @Hitbox.. On Youtube it is.. Nothing to be done about it now (/ don't want to do anything about it like resample), next time better

For the people interested... I have given Twitch another go ( http://www.twitch.tv/cargamenl/ ) but I am still not sure that I can be happy about it.

Stream often stalls... It's a bit better with Chrome, Palemoon(/Firefox) is a disaster for me... Just not happy with this Adobe Flash I think.

Quote from cargame.nl :

For the people interested... I have given Twitch another go ( http://www.twitch.tv/cargamenl/ ) but I am still not sure that I can be happy about it.

Stream often stalls... It's a bit better with Chrome, Palemoon(/Firefox) is a disaster for me... Just not happy with this Adobe Flash I think.

We talking here for many days about this. try CherryPlayer and you will be happy. It doesn't load system at all.

Yeah well... The thing is.. It's not about me.

The twitch stream currently seems to run okay, but it has black frame again:


It would be nice if the stream-link is known a day or few hours before start, so that people can send link to friends or share it on facebook etc. Maybe there is a way that the url always stays the same, no matter what streamig-provider is used?
A fixed url ("cityliga.de/stream") that always redirectly to correct link? Or a small page that embeds the video or something.

I agree that watching streams in external player like VLC is better.
It is very noticable if you try to watch several streams at once, like multiple onboards at Le Mans etc.
In browser I can maybe play 2-3 streams at once. With external players I can open many more streams, it runs smoother and less CPU usage.
But think most people do not want to mess around with copying URLs. Or on tablet or phone maybe such "tricks" do not work.

Quote from Gutholz :

I agree that watching streams in external player like VLC is better.
It is very noticable if you try to watch several streams at once, like multiple onboards at Le Mans etc.
In browser I can maybe play 2-3 streams at once. With external players I can open many more streams, it runs smoother and less CPU usage.
But think most people do not want to mess around with copying URLs. Or on tablet or phone maybe such "tricks" do not work.

Would it be helpful and convenient if you can watch a few stream in the player at once?

Quote from Gutholz :

It would be nice if the stream-link is known a day or few hours before start, so that people can send link to friends or share it on facebook etc. Maybe there is a way that the url always stays the same, no matter what streamig-provider is used?
A fixed url ("cityliga.de/stream") that always redirectly to correct link? Or a small page that embeds the video or something.

Well usually we share the news in the briefing and on Facebook two hours before the start of the event. But the idea with page on cityliga.de dedicated for an embedded live stream sounds good. I'll forward it

Quote from Gutholz :

but it has black frame again:

Yes, but I now stream with 1280x720 ... Instead of x768 .. My guess is that Youtube can handle this mode better then Twitch/Hitbox, other explanation I do not have.

What program do you use to stream with? When I experimented with streaming to Twitch lately, I got these black bars when I not entered the right ratio using OBS.

Quote from TFalke55 :

What program do you use to stream with? When I experimented with streaming to Twitch lately, I got these black bars when I not entered the right ratio using OBS.

You won't find better program for streaming then CherryPlayer for now. Maybe in a week such program will appear on in a month, but currently only CherryPlayer allows all kind of streaming, including integrated inside sources (like Twitch). Everyhting else is heresy.

I think everybody knows about your player by now, why not finally stop this monologue?

Quote from troy :

I think everybody knows about your player by now, why not finally stop this monologue?

Really want to know? Because for me your talks here look like "Well, yes train or plane is a good way to reach from New York to London, but I have just my old bike, so I'll use it for such traveling. Guys, which color of wheels on my bike should I choose to increase my speed?"

You see?