Innocent until proven guilty is the code I would kill for, a code I would die for. We needed centuries to figure out we need to align our justice system so it's more prone to release criminals then to lock up innocent people.

If anyone thinks he get's the view of the real world thru the looking glass of the media, that is one sad individual and I pity him. Like watching hollywood movies thinking they make documentaries about real life action heroes.


Jon Lajoie - Michael Jackson is Dead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU

I don't think that option ever existed. How steady can be your steering if you do that anyway?

Sound like the right movie, plot summary says died at the moment...

I'd like to know the name too, sounds interesting!

tristancliffe: admit that you are wrong or no more jaffa cakes for you!!

Not nuts! Extreme sense of duty, comeradery and sacrifice. One life in face of three lives, it makes sense, but only few will actually do it in a split notice.

Altho there are cases where people exposed to daily possibility of death start to think they can cheat it. They do crazier and crazier things. Or a soldier who had enough of everything and wants to die, so why not die as a hero and save lives of people who you trust your life to?

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However I do feel that the Labour government *want* to award a VC as a propaganda coup, and sadly for me that overshadows the whole thing because that guy, no question, is damned brave.

We need heroes!
We don't have any!
Then we will make them up!

That's because we will probably never understand the bond that is formed between men in those situations every day. Nothing like a common enemy to make friends.

Even if the guy saved the world from alien invasion there would still be "he is being considered for a medal" stage when everything is investigated. They don't just hand them out like candy hehe. He will probably get some commendation or a medal, but a Victoria Cross, that's BIG!

"The Victoria Cross (VC) is the highest military decoration awarded for valour "in the face of the enemy" to members of the armed forces of some Commonwealth countries and previous British Empire territories. It takes precedence over all other orders, decorations, medals and postnominals."

Quote from hyntty :

Normally some parts of a clue is irrelevant but never the whole clue.

The mysterious world or riddles! I guess you haven't seen "riddles" where some clues are wrong, a lie, puprosley constructed to decieve you,...it's called real life!

Quote from tristancliffe :

You should switch. EASY

Why?

Quote from hyntty :

Yes you do. At first the chances are 1/3. After one door is opened it's 1/2... This is philosophical..

Nope, there is 2/3 chance of getting the XRT if you switch.


Just try it out alot of times and see the result:
http://www.shodor.org/interact ... tivities/SimpleMontyHall/

2/3 times you are forcing the presenter to basically show you where the car is.

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No, really. Only proof I have heard is that number 13 comes up twice. But WHY is that the correct house number? Like said many times, there are several other answers that could also be correct. Why can't it be 14? Because 13 comes up twice? Err... This sounds unlogical to me.

Exactly. The riddle given in the first post is not given correctly. You must know that in another version the question is asked to a censor taker which knows the number of the house next door and still has problems with the riddle. He knows it's 13 and that there are two possible combinations that add up to 13.

tristancliffe: You are assuming. You cannot claim with 100% certanty that the house number is 13! 7 possible solutions that are bullet proof without knowing that piece of info!

If you didn't get this one then the next will blow you away.

You are on a gameshow. The presenter shows you three doors. Behind one there is a brand new XRT made just for you! Behind the other two doors there is nothing. The presenter knows where the XRT is.

You pick on of them and then the presenter always opens a door that is not yours and is still the empty one since he knows. He gives you a choice, will you stick to your original choice or will you switch doors?

Do you have a better chance of getting the XRT if you switch the doors?

NOOOOOOO!!!!!

I give up.

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No, you don't! The only way the ridlle makes sence is to think you know the house number. (Yes, it is kind off assuming, but it can't be solved otherways) After you have the eight possible solutions, you need to think why you need the third clue, that there's an oldest one who plays drums. Since normally you need all clues to solve ridldles, we have to assume you can't solve it without the third clue. The only possible situation where you need the third clue, is the one where there are two possibilities for the answer.

Yes I understand that. But again you just assumed he or you knew the house number next door. You can't say for sure with the riddle given in the first post.

Quote from Gekkibi :

You see a teenager throwing away beer-bottle. You also see that there is already 4 empty bottles on the ground. After throwing the bottle away, he asks you to fetch some more from the local store. How many beers he drank?

Answer: Six, because beers are often sold in six-packs.

This was an example with non-logical answer.

Probably six. You can't know for sure! Maybe he didn't drink any of them just emptied them into the sink.

Nice chair haha. You need to keep improving it so you can sit on it and...obviously drink more beer!

The point is, in order to solve the puzzle we need to know those 8 possible solutions and the fact that someone who also knows the house number still can't solve the riddle since he sees two solutions adding up to 13 which still leaves him with two possible answers.

Quote from TechAde :

No, it's called lateral thinking.

To quote wikipedia:

Read again. What some did with the two 13s without knowing the censor part of the riddle is simply bullshit. I don't know how else to say this. You made it up. It was your imagination. You go to court with that shit and the judge throws you out. It doesn't hold up in real life. It makes no sense. It's not logical in any way. ...

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It's much more heroic than what they do on their "bring democracy to countries rich with oir resources" missions

Don't confuse politics with the state of the army. If there is one thing you can't say to the USA is that they have a "soft" army. Even with all the information warfare and air support they still need tough grunts on the ground and they certantly have them especially in special forces. What kind of an army do you think you get if you pump >200 billion dollars per year into it??

And the difference between american special forces and alot of other countries special forces is that the american ones aren't psychos, well, the majority aren't. (russian spetnaz anyone? their tactic: shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more then grab a beer)

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I don't know how to explain why I knew the double 13 satisfied the riddle, other than the fact there were two of them jumped out at me and [metaphoically] screamed "Pick me, pick me!".

You got lucky this time sir, but maybe you won't be so lucky next time! But seriously, I hope you learned something, you cannot take anything for granted just because it looks a certain way. There is no "jumping out and screaming" in math! It may look like it, but only because of our stupid brain trying to find patterns in everything and getting the answer fast at the expense of mistakes. Sometimes we need to think like computers "think". Hence my question about you being religious hehe. "There must be a creator because, well, I just feel there must be".

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All I did was look at all 8 possible results. I then looked at the house number bit and decided it must refer to the 13. That left two, and then I noticed the eldest one bit, and got my answer.

Seriously, WTF man, how did you just decide??

I think you knew the answer because you heard the riddle some time ago, but couldn't remember it fully.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Took mere moments - how long does it take to work out the 8 possible answers - couple of minutes, max (calculating how many possible answers is different, and I'm not sure how one would do that).

Like this:

tristancliffe now you're just looking for trouble!

Why "MUST" the two 13s relate to the answer? It doesn't make any sense. Are you religious or something?

I'm guessing he's not getting the Victoria Cross just for jumping on a nade, but who knows. I mean much respect to him, but compared to what others did to get the VC, that was easy.

One example:

Quote :

Chavasse was first awarded the VC for his actions on August 9, 1916, at Guillemont, France when he attended to the wounded all day under heavy fire, frequently in view of the enemy; during the night, he continued searching for wounded in front of the enemy's lines. Next day, under heavy shell fire, he and a stretcher bearer carried an urgent case 500 yards to safety, being wounded himself during the journey. The same night, with 20 volunteers, he rescued three wounded men from a shell-hole 36 yards from enemy trenches, buried the bodies of two officers and collected many identity discs. Altogether he saved the lives of some 20 wounded men.

No he's not! (explain why please)

edit: Oh sorry I didn't see the links. I still think there are 7 solutions. Try them with the rules! Or is the problem with how the riddle was given...hmmm. But how did the census taker (in another version of this riddle) unable to solve it?

edit2:Doh of course, the censor taker knew the number was 14! The riddle was not given in the correct form.

Last edited by kurent, Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:12.

I retract my previous post!

I made a program to find all the permutations and this was the output (same as tristancliffe posted):
Found 8 solutions.
1,1,36 = 38
1,2,18 = 21
1,3,12 = 16
1,4,9 = 14
1,6,6 = 13
2,2,9 = 13
2,3,6 = 11
3,3,4 = 10

So now we have 8 solutions and the only thing left is to apply the last unused rule of the oldest brother which eliminates 1,6,6 leaving us with 7 solutions. So there you go, the riddle is flawed!

hyntty: Get the champagne and spray it all over the teacher for giving you this stupid riddle and yell out this is from kurent! :chairs:

I understand that, but that kind of logic only works in the world of riddles meaning there are some unwritten rules that go along side every riddle. I guess my brain just doesn't work like that. If the riddle doesn't specify that, it doesn't matter for me.

Then tell him you are gay.

Ok, using logic doesn't mean that you just say "using logic". Maybe I'm being stupid, but you didn't explain anything as to why those two answers "stand out". Just because they both give the sum of 13? Why?

Does the answer 1*4*9 not meet the criteria of the riddle? I'm really confused.

edit: Hmm I think I know what you mean by reading your previous posts again. When you said "So, the house number must be 13, as otherwise that part wouldn't be sufficient to narrow it down." does makes sense, but only if the riddle said that this part will help you narrow it down. It does not say that, so any other possible answer is still correct if you want 100% bullet proof solution. My conclusion is that the riddle is flawed.

Last edited by kurent, Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:11.