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Viper93
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Quote from mpn89 :But it will be at the wrong pressure and will heat up at the wrong places.

Tyres are designed to reach their optimum shape and work most efficiently within a certain (narrow) pressure envelope, outside of it they won't work good. A tyre at the optimum pressure can be worked harder than a tyre at the wrong pressure because you get the most out of it.

When the ambient and track temperature is lower, do you run higher pressures or lower pressures? You run higher pressures because the tyre needs to reach it's optimum pressure. Same goes for a short qual-run - a slightly higher pressure than used for a race means you'll reach your optimum for your first flying lap. If you run the same pressure for the race you'll be fast for the first few laps but then fade off.

In LFS the pressure envelope seems way too large - if you were to run low pressures for qual IRL you'd end up overheating the tyre shoulders and never been at the optimum pressure = never at the fast pressure. And for a race IRL the pace drops if you have high pressures because the center overheats too much.

I still don't see this. Less pressure you will have more grip, more grip you will have more heat, heating the tires faster. You cannot go too low because of cupping and sidewall flex, but still.

I understand that because you don't have a ton of time during a quali session to bring up tire temp, you will not have time to bring the ambient temperature of the air inside the tire up, but surely a cold tire a optimum pressure would have less traction than a tyre at optimum temperature. I have always shot for proper temperatures and never worried what my pressures were, for a race I always had to up my pressure to reduce tyre temps compaired to a quali setup.

I am not arguing, this is how I understand this and I want to know why you think the oposite, your reasoning doesn't make sense to me, anyone else help me?
Viper93
S2 licensed
Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :Nice!

Kid - Does the wind affect the temp of the road surface?

Sort of O/T: You know what would be cool? An official dev-compiled text highlighting all the cool features of LFS that we don't really know about - save for folklore and conjecture amonst ourselves. Would show us which "features" are psychosomatic and probably make us look like fools for A) thinking it's better than it is and B) not knowing how good it really is.

:nods: This would be nice =)
Viper93
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Quote from danowat :Fair play, but we (I) still haven't proved if LFS fuel consuption is effected by tyre pressures (however little it may be)

Then what are you doing posting? =P I think you have but you didn't do enough laps to verify.
Viper93
S2 licensed
Quote from Hyperactive :http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=279904#post279904

Thanky Hyperactive, for a second there I thought I was going insane =P
Viper93
S2 licensed
mpn89 I don't know how you drive but your comment is backwards and should be the other way around. A lower pressured tyre will increase rolling resistance, resistance creates heat, thus bringing the tyre up to temperature quicker.

Another problem with testing road tires in LFS is that the sidewalls do not break down. In autocross and track-days almost everyone puts their pressures up to 40-45 PSI cold to prevent sidewall deflection,which is done in LFS but Deflection causes the plys in the tire to rub against each other breaking the plys down, which from what I understand is not done in LFS.

I am not understanding this correctly I think. I was always under the impression that for maximum top speed you wanted at little rolling resistance as possible. From physics class I can say that resistance prevents things from accellerating. I realize in limited traction envoirments that you want as much resistance as possible to keep glued to the track, but with a pure top speed run you would want as little as possible because at near top speed you are not really using that much traction as your not accelerating that fast for the most part and you would want as little rolling resistance as possible?

thanks Jeff for making that a big clearer =)
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Viper93
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American cars as a whole cannot compete with the Japanese =) Granted the newer american cars are much better than they were, but they still have a ways to go for the most part. Civics are great cars and you cannot beat their reliability but I would never have one for a racecar =)

Jamexing, I reread your post about your dampers, I have tokico allumina's, that Dodge put on my car factory, that are 5 way adjustable and at high compression and rebound rates the valving inside the strut releases the pressure and lets the spring oscilate creating a very smooth ride, while still being stiff. I absolutly love it, you explained why beautifully =)
Viper93
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Well if your running a Raid-0 I donno, I was running 1280x1024. I need to test it again. I am also running dual video cards, I don't know if that will make a difference, they are only 6600's
Viper93
S2 licensed
Quote from Becky Rose :The problems with quality are in the capture, I will experiment with mip mapping, it's fully one way or the other (not sure which) because I felt it messed up alpha'd textures like railings. I will experiment a little on that one, I am also working hard on trying to get my existing machine to handle the capture in 32bit without upgrading the CPU (which I cannot afford) as the chip I have was only ever meant to be temporary until about this time (dual core 4400 1mb cache), it's not up to the spec of the rest of the machine and can't handle the real time captures. 32bit will help a lot!

It's true that the DVD version does need to be paid for, because obviously it has a very tangeable cost of production involved. In terms of quality it's taken from the ~7gb masters, but by the time it's in DVD format I personally dont think it's much better than the MQ stream. It's commemorative, and intended really for those involved, and I will be working on some nice packaging designs and maybe even a little race program to go inside if possible. I've just mastered the first disk (rounds 1 to 3) and i've put a lot of work into the menu's and stuff, it's all quite nice, but I never really imagined it taking off as something the public would buy tbh, but i'll give the option .

Quality is something i'm trying to improve step by step, but it's pointless flaffing around with the same video, I make small improvements each time, it's a rellentless quest that runs side by side with the series itself. I hope this broadcast is the best yet in terms of quality, and next race I will try to improve a little again .

I have an AMD64 3800plus with 2 gig of Ram, I also have dual raptor HHD's raided 0 I have captured, with fraps, a full start at 32bit w/sound full screen at about 45 FPS. I am not sure if you need a new processor or some more throughput to you HHD/s

The quality is good for only being 500meg IMO, a bit grainy but you already said you mip mapping and bias so goodluck =P
Viper93
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Quote from Jakg :There is a DVD quality version, but it comes out at the end and you WILL have to pay for it

BUT it will be worth EVERY penny =P
Viper93
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I have held my SRT-4 into a "drift" for a good 5-10 seconds. I called it a FWD drift to my brother as it feels totally different than a RWD drift.


I let off the throttle, turned the wheel and when the car started to go around I applied throttle to hold the spin though the corner while reducing a bit of the wheel input.

I like bob's explanation of it. It's totally different than a powerslide drift but it's still "drifting" or going way past the maximum slip angle of the tires.
Viper93
S2 licensed
Great video Becky! Video quality was good, but like it was said before that the aliasing was off, but still was great coverage and a huge step up from race 3. I cant wait to see what Race 5 will bring! =)
Viper93
S2 licensed
420HP is nothing...

http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/srt4/Neon772.wmv

Nobody was saying Civics are crap, they are just not the best car to have for circuit racing because of not having any torque, sure you can say that YOU beat all those cars on the track with yours BUT at the end of the day thats driver ability. FYI I hope you would beat a V6 stang, they are crap and in the states are not considered a performance car at all. Even the insurance companies agree and you routinely see 16 year old girls, not boys, driving them to school every day. Now if you want to talk about V8's, the proper Mustang, thats a different story, you wouldn't stand a chance.

A855
(Hemi)
Found in: 2003-2005 Dodge SRT-4
Displacement: 2.4 liters
Power: 230BHPnot engine HP like the civic which would put brake HP around 150 for the civic (171.51kW) @ 5200 rpm and 250 ft lbf (338.57 Nm) @ 2400-4400 rpm
Transmission: 5-speed NVG T-850 manual with a quafe LSD unit

Ohh these cost less than a Type-R and they out handle them too =)
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Viper93
S2 licensed
I have the Phone Coop ASDL connection, I wonder if this could be my problem with LFS having connection issues...
Viper93
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What about Muroc's skins? =P I like everyone's skins, none look the best =)
Viper93
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didn't care for redline, admins were abusive to other players and in general I just didn't have any fun. this was a while ago and I dont remember names but left a sour taste in my mouth and I have not been back, but the admin was telling people to obey the rules of the server but he himself was breaking almost every one of them, that included swearing. Servers themselves were very stabile though...
Viper93
S2 licensed
No thats about right =) We use the server but dont put on the popular configs so there is not a whole lot of traffic =)
Viper93
S2 licensed
Quote from danowat :It's not "rubbish", its just not as good as LFS, but its still good fun to play



The cars behave ok, nothing special, I like the brake fade. If your using a Momo your supposed to reverse the effects for it to feel good.
Viper93
S2 licensed
I like GTR2. The weather and real cars I enjoy. But down to the nitty gritty I play for the fun factor while I play LFS more because it simulates many things that other games do not have. Sure there are things that are missing, but they have been promised and I am waiting patiently for them:something:banghead::hide::nut::uglyhamme:chairs::smash3d:
Viper93
S2 licensed
^ ^ What Montana said ^ ^ Muroc absolutly loves our server. I was in the states and I was getting a 60 ping! the members from the EU were getting 50's. Now that I am in the UK I have even been as low as 30s =)

Hows the graphs coming Franky?
Viper93
S2 licensed
Another idea, since most of the teams you invited are already racing other leagues, make this more of a casual league that only releases the car/track combo like an hour before the race =P

You mean Muroc was not invited? =P Hannu and Paps would kick all your butts =P (joke) This race length is more along the lines that Muroc likes to run, we tried MoE much too long for our tastes.
Viper93
S2 licensed
I am having the same connectivity issues as tommylee is. If I go onto a server that is full I will ping out within a few minutes, guaranteed . I can stay connected to an empty server for awhile but then again I will eventually be disconnected.

This all started when I switched to U30. I am still seeing if any of the programs I am running are causing any problems, but I never had an issue before U30.
Viper93
S2 licensed
Whats that supposed to mean?
Viper93
S2 licensed
Quote from Flycantbird :1) Deployable oil slicks and smoke screens...
a la James Brown...or James Bond - I always get those two confused.

2) Secret tunnels - preferably with which to by-pass turn one.

3) Driver access to the shops at South City, especially the Casinos.

4) A landscape delightfully free of monster trucks, nascar trucks, motorcycles, airplanes, skateboards,lawnmowers, volkswagon beetles, etc etc.

All of the above OR 15 new tracks with 12 configurations each.

LOL :elefant:


Increased damage model and 3d sounds would be great, tweaks to the physics to include different tyres. Dynamic weather.
Viper93
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I have an issue with the site, I cannot create a user account. It doesn't do anything, every time I click register it just refreshes the screen.
Viper93
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