Quote from MZWiZard :

I think its the only way to even things out AND to get people learn more driving skills. For instance, a lot of danish drivers only drives fwd cars, thereby missing a great aspect of racing. illepall

I do agree that people should always try new cars. It might be worth atry, depends on what Sam wants to do with it really.

Quote from SamH :

I'll pwn ya both on GTRs

Only if its speed drifting =P


I donno, Limiting like that wouldn't be nice. Once you open a car you should be able to keep driving that car no matter what license.

Quote from SamH :

He used to pwn me in an XFG, on demo

He pwns me now in S2 =)

Quote from (SaM) :

Yes, you can give cars other engines by for renaming for example FZR_default.eng to XFG_default.eng, wich means the GTi will sound like the FZ GTR or anything you want, worth experimenting with. Back up your engine folder.

It will only change the sound though, the engine specifications still remain the same.

The other option is to load in completely new wav sounds on the right. You could do alot with that option =)

Quote from SamH :

Racers on Platinum aren't able to use any of the driver aids. If they ignore the red warning message, they'll only be able to race a total of one race every 24hrs.. it's an automatic server-administered ban for ignoring the rules.

Which it should be, by then you better know the rules and heed server messages sent to you.

We can use autoclutch and manditor Cut on upshift. Yes it makes the cars a tad harder to drive but the races are that much better because of it. More driver errors =)

Quote from al heeley :

I prefer to see it as not yet finished rather than flawed.

Yes virtually every type of roadcourse racing has them. You win you get 50 pounds added 2nd you get 30 and 3rd you get 15 or something like that. Everytime you place out of the top 3 you get weight subtracted until you reach the minimum weight again.

Adds another bit of stratagy too. For instance you rack up a couple top 3's and your carrying extra weight. You know the next race after the one your at now is going to be big long straits you intentionally place just out of the top 3 so you can get the weight taken off to place better in the next race against presumably your direct rivals to the points who placed in the top 3 in the previous race. This is banking on ofcourse if they actually place out of the top 5 for the next race, but if your running 3rd or something it's another option to hopefully score more points.

Quote from szyszek :

Good too see that this thread got some attention, and most of all - something is actually being done!

SamH: I guess the most probable outcome is that practically everyone will drive FXO on the gold servers, but the "gold racers" who hate FXO (such as me) can still race on the Silver server. Now, will we still get points for that?

Cheers, and thanks for the replies and good ideas everyone

I don't think it's going to be a new server so much as someone with a silver license cannot race the FXO on the Silver/Gold server.

Last edited by Viper93, Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:41.

What is the other thread not good enough for you? You jut had to make your own?

Quote from nihil :

Really? IMHO its the damage model that encourages wrecking - its great fun to watch the cars warp themselves into a wedge of cheese and then limp off down the road like the bastard offspring of a Volvo and a Smart car...

Not when your in the front being competitive. A tap against the wall could end your race.

It is very satisfying to keep the FXO's behind you when your in an RB4 too. But that only happens on the short tracks and even then the FXO is faster. You can still have great fun with the XRT and RB4. Besides IMO it doesnt matter where you place, long as your improving on what you already have eventually you will take that RB4 or XRT and kick those other drivers butt because your so darn good at driving it =P

If you watch the STCC you can see that the RB's and XRT's can be competitive to a degree. It's just those big tracks that cause a problem =)

They do need to be fixed and I am sure they are being worked on. Wait and see what happens. Once we are able to give weight penalties to people this should make it much more interesting =)

I always have fun in the midfield, where I usually am =) majority of the midfielders are devoloping their driving ability and some of them will hang onto their spots like a rabid dog! I think as LFS grows you will see more and more of this. Midfielders showing racecraft =) instead of just the "fast" guys. Even then I know some aliens that cannot race for crap and think they can put their nose where they feel like it.

Quote from Jamexing :

Agreed too. IRL, temps are taken at the pits with IR probes, which isn't as good as Real Time monitoring already provided by th F9 feature, but is done real often even by professional race tire engineers.

Functionaly, F9 is good enough for alignment and tire pressure setup, but a pit temp displa would be nice too.

Well this isn't always the case. I don't know if they can take temps to each section of the tire but they can and do take temps while on the track of the whole tire.

I think Shepperd is asking for chart viewable in the pits of tire temp data on a lap per lap or corner by corner basis, could extend this to other things aswell, just depends on what people want to capture.

=)

Well there was enough room and I think Hakkinen decided that it wasn't worth the risk to try passing there with that little room.

Didn't look like anything was wrong there to me, just good defending

Thats when sam brings out his bumper and gives you a nudge into the kamakazi barriers in the AutoX =P

Quote from Bob Smith :

Me for starters. I'm hoping to hold out on the TFT "revolution" as long as physically possible.

:hippy: Bah ok if you insist =P

Quote from Jakg :

the thing is, with the drift sets i like, drifting is faster!

It's fun, but it ain't racing!

No qualms there I like doing it too =) I like getting my tu-tu out every once in a while, especially if there is not a race going on. Usually after a race you can see me putting some dorifto's in, especally so in the RB4. Hey wait I am almost as fast as Sam is now with his Speed drifting =)

Quote from SamH :

Kewl! Once I've gone back and deleted all the posts where I said I didn't know what speed drifting was, I can then claim that I am, in fact, one of the world's best speed drifters. Furthermore, henceforth I wish to be known as a speed drifter, and anyone who beats me in a race will know that they didn't, in fact, beat me because unbeknownest to them.. I was actually not racing, but speed drifting.. and doing it MUCH better than they were. Never again shall I be mistaken for getting out of shape in a corner. Henceforth (and retrospectively), my apparently crap laptimes were all deliberate and highly competitive speed drifting

LOL you really are the best speed drifter I have ever seen Sam, congratulations on your acheivment! =P

I get what your saying =P This is how long it took your wheel to react in the game, other controllers may have different exact numbers but their graphs should reflect those you made, albiet at a different time presumably.

Makes no sense, if you want to pass him just don't drift.

Quote from Shotglass :

tfts have quite a lot of processing delay on the input ... unless you use a crt you wont get any good results

But who uses a CRT anymore? I am not switching back to a CRT just to get better reactions by the game =P

I agree try with different controllers and see what happens. The delay might come from the controller drivers processing and sending the data back on.

I would much prefer to have more time in LFS racing people I know racewise than having the live timing and scoring sheets for GPL.

While they are very nice and would give a bit more feedback to the people watching and me personally I would rather just watch the race unfold. I have played LFS long enough to know when gaps are increasing and decreasing and woudn't need timing to tell me how the race is going =)

I am not saying that I wouldn't like timing, far from it but for me extra seat time in LFS would mean more than having the timing available.

Quote from (SaM) :

...if you want to be fast, go race. Altough a few drifters indeed think drifting is as fast as racing..

That's where the problem sits. Drifters think absolutly that its the fastest way around the track, which is just simply not the case. When I use the term drifting its when the drivers exceed maximum slip angles.

Rally racing does have extreme angles at which the car enters a corner. But because they are on loose surfaces they are not exceeding the maximum slip angles which constitute a drift. If you watch WRC on the tarmac stages the fast drivers are not putting their car at wierd angles at all unless they are showing off. If drifting was so fast then they would be doing it. They are afterall masters of throttle control under limited traction enviorments which drifting is all about once those rear tires get warm.

For some of you this discussion about drifting and racing may have started here but for me this has been an argument that has been going on for years! I have yet to have a "drifter" show me any concrete evidence that drifting is faster than racing. I am not saying drifting isn't a sport or any of that, it's just more like figure skating =)

Last edited by Viper93, Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:59.

wohoo =) That reminds me I need to apply for my UK provisional =)

Quote from RMachucaA :

They are one and the same.

Wheres the option that says "i dont need to drift, i know how to drive"?

I think people that cannot drive say that they are speed drifters just for the fact that it takes alot less skill to get a car sideways in a corner than to actually try to find where maximum grip is. Not saying it doesn't take effort to fight with the wheel but hey. Drifting is drifting I would love to see a speed drifter, which from what I can understand IS trying to get around the track as fast as possible, take on any of the top drivers on LFS in a race, any race that involves reaching a finish line before someone else.

Quote from tristancliffe :

I'm great a speed drifting. I keep my drift angle below about 3° and beat all the other drifters. My tyres also never get hot, and I don't have to do much steering. I still have a slip angle though. The best speed drifters are the LFS WR holders - huge speed, and often only the tinest drift (we all know drifting slows you down, so the less the quicker).

As for show drifting. Well, it's serves no real purpose in my opinion. But at least I know all drifting is for show and don't have a deluded belief about speed drifting.

LOL you too? =P I do quiet alot of drifting too =) I think drifters need to go back to physics class if they think that can complete a circuit the fastest while sliding the car around.

I do kinda like watching drift competitions, but only for entertainment and watch people make a lot of smoke.