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t1ger
S3 licensed
Pool 5 for me, and I must start by saying, I do not like the LX6 - I can't be fast with it and it is too hairy!!

Anyway, started 8th and gained two places off the start line due to Ginning_Giant and OCR_Attila getting poor starts! But then Grinning_Giant hit me (I have looked back at the replay and it is nobodys fault - he swerved to avoid someone Attila (I think) then hit me and we spun towards the inside of the track, where Grinning_Giant hit Attila again (who had already started spinning on his own) and knocked him into the wall - this caused Attila to take off!! (see previous post).

So, by the end of lap 1, I was 12th. I kept going very carefully, only once getting within a second of my Hotlap of 1:58.52 - its like driving on ice with that car, and the slightest lapse in concentration gets punished. I guess that is why so many people like these cars!

Anyway, I overtook sccc_popeye and then the rest of the places I made up were due to people spinning off and me going past. Apart from aLexusPro, who pitted 6 laps from the end. Other than that, I was on my own making sure that [BR]Bone and (NASSA)Ant didn't close the gap. Fortunately for me they only started closing it 3 laps from the end, but by that time they were 9 seconds behind. I wasn't looking at my gap to the people in front, because I knew I didn't stand a chance of catching them.

Anyway, finished 7th and I am very pleased with that.

Thanks to all racers for good clean race, and Jonesy for hosting!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from Bawbag :Tim, if your online or you give me your e-mail I will send you my set if you wish, most people use it, I origionally got it off Jeep so it can't be all bad.

As for my avatar, it rawks doesn't it! Had it years ago for a forum I was on and only just found it amongst all the crap on my pc the other day, I like to think it was me in the womb (Sp?)


Thanks Bawbag - I saw you on line just now, but you were busy racing and the LX6 wasn't on that server so you would have needed to join another server to send it - so its OK! I haven't practiced as much as I would have liked, so I will take my chances with the default RACE_S set.

I am around people I know from the last race, so it will be ok.

I love your avatar too!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from varjsa-9 :Though.. I think we could safely remove LX4 from the list Or are there any LX4'ers there?

I still haven't fully decided which car to run. So far I have posted my hotlap in the LX6, but it is the car I hate the most (maybe apart from RAC) but I can not justify losing 4-5seconds a lap with the LX4. I will try and practice some more to try and get more consistant, but chances will be few and far between.

I am still only using the RACE_1 setup at the moment too!!

Good luck all (including me!)

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :man theres gunna be a big rumble then. lots of teams involved

I'm not so sure Will!

4th was SRR, who were 30 seconds behind, but I am sure had to stop again.
5th was SRR2, who were, what looks like a lap behind, and had to stop agian (I think)
6th was vMax2, which, by looking at the lap chart, looks like they were about a lap behind, if not more. Even if they didn't have to stop again, we would still have been in front of them, I think! Maybe!?!

Can you get your friends at the track to look at the results of the race (presuming they still have them) and confirm or deny.

I don't know if this will turn into a big rumble, but I would prefer it to be sorted out now (rather than someone come and beat me up at the next event )

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
If I am not mistaken, it was the SRR teams that I talked to about the "5 stop" rule, so you will find they also would have had to stop again to make 5 stops...I think our 3rd place is secure!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :decibel and t1ger, u should have made 1 more stop!!!

i hope it didnt affect the results atall....

I thought I heard that we *had* to make 5 stops! I was stood next to our kart with my helmet on when they announced on the tannoy. We had planned to do 3 x 20 minute stints each, which would have worked, but then during Neils first stint, nobody else seemed to know about this rule, so I thought I had misheard it!

I can only say, if the race had not been stopped, we would probably have made another stop...maybe...

Anyway, I have also put our results into Excel and the results are as follows:

Racer: t1ger
Total time on hotlaps: 51:17.04
Total number of hotlaps: 63
Average hotlap laptime: 48.84

Racer: Decibel
Total time on hotlaps: 50:00:61
Total number of hotlaps: 63
Average hotlap laptime: 47.63

Note: a hotlap is defined as a lap where we didn't stop for a driver change or fuel stop at the end of it.

Neil: this does include your 52.15.

Thanks
Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
As promised, attached is our team (The Young Ones) result sheet. This is mainly for Neil as I promised I would scan it and upload it, but I have highlighted our laps just as Clownpaint did with theirs.

We didn't have any notable incidents (apart from Neils spin on lap 44) so I haven't added such details.

Enjoy!

Tim

EDIT: Sorry Clown, didn't check! (also I can't find you real name, only Tristan referring to you as Clown! Hope that is OK.)
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t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from Clownpaint :1 Word, hassle. I would not bring my PC down to an event.

I personally think this started as karting and should stay that way, if you want to organize LFS hopscotch competitions or pie eating contests it should be a seperate event, not replacing this one.

The hassle is a fair point! However, a pie eating contest is not keeping with the racing theme

Quote from ajp71 : This idea doesn't really interest me as we race online so much anyway we may as well just go down the pub and forget about the hassle of bringing our own PCs to do what we do from the comfort of our living rooms.

Another good point and well made!

Quote from ajp71 :Although this idea could possibly work if the devs came along with a new patch or treat (or S3) for us to have the first try of

This would be the ultimate event - this would make people want to come and override the hassle factor! I guess this could not turn into an annual event in this case, more of a "S2 Final Release" day!

Hmmmm... things to ponder... thanks for your replies guys.

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from Decibel :What are peoples opinions of changing the type of event ?

Personally, this is first and foremost an LFS event, therefore it's safe to assume that most, if not all of those that would attend will be avid drivers / racers / motorsport fans.

I understand that the intention of the event is to bring LFSers together socially, but if you remove the 'common ground' of racing I fear there will be fewer wanting to attend.

I'm not saying this has to be a karting event, but something motorsport related. Although, TBH, any other corporate motorsport event is probably prohibitively expensive, so it'll end up being karting anyway.

Perhaps it's time for a poll on which types of events people would prefer ?

/Discuss

I agree that it needs to stay on a racing theme, but how about we hire a big hall and have a "lan party" style meet running LFS. We can either bring our own setups (ie PC and wheel) or have some nice people lend us some (I have known Alienware (now owned by Dell!) do this for other lan party's). I don't know if this will appeal to the likes of Alienware, but I think this sort of event would appeal to more people. I think it would appeal to "other halves" and our kids more too as we as racers would be more accessible as we are not out on a track trapped in our highly concentrated world! The other thing I would do is have a competition on the loan PCs (to make it fair) with knockout races and an overall winner, maybe even classes of race for FOX or TBO etc... I am thinking as I write this...

+1 to have a poll for the Event!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :nice report t1ger!

here are our graphs n times n stuff.

the red underline shows each of our drivers best times.

Thanks Will!

I think you have got confused with your lines in the second picture!? I will take ours to work with me tomorrow and scan it and upload it tomorrow evening. If everybody can do this, then we will be able to collaborate them all into one diagram (maybe!?)

One question, for the "pros" - do your arms ache today?

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
OK, time for my race report.

If you have read above, you will know that I was Decibel's (Neil) teammate! We had never met before but we got on really well. Anyway onto the juicy bits...

I started the race and got taken totally by surprise by the rolling start, so by the end of the first lap I had already lost a place, and by the end of the second, I had lost another. I felt a pattern emerging... but then I found myself not being overtaken, in fact the two in front of me were fighting (vMax2's first driver and T7R's first driver) and I kept catching them and then losing them, and then a few laps later, vMax2 lost it and I got past and they dropped behind me. Then T7R dropped behind me and I was back in third - at the time I thought I might have been 3rd again, but wasn't entirely sure. It is unbelievable the level of concentration that is required (more on that later!).

After 20 minutes of not a lot happening, Neil called me in and he had his first go. Now, I must tell you that we only qualified 3rd because of Neil - if it was just me, we would have started 9th! Somehow, and I never got chance to find out why, 'cos we only passed briefly in the pits, he was 1 second faster than me pretty much all the time! During Neils first stint, we made it up to 1st (even though he spun losing a few seconds!). Then the marshal men said that the karts were coming in to refuel, so I thought that I would leave him out and then change driver when we refuelled. Kart 1 refuelled, then kart 2, and then I realised that Neil had been out for ages and I was starting to feel very guilty! So we decided to bring him in and I would do a longer stint to make up!

We called Neil in after 25 minutes. I must point out at this point that the "we" is myself and Neils son who did a fantastic job of watching our pitstops - if it had been left to me (as I spent most of the 25 minutes trying to catch my breath and stop things from hurting) we would have been in a right mess!! Even then, I only started getting my gloves and helmet on as he entered the pit lane! I suddenly realised I needed to get them on quick, so I put my gloves on and then had to take them off again as I could not fasten my helmet with the gloves on.

I went out on my second stint. I had no idea what place we were in, who was in front or behind - so I just tried to get better lines and better braking points around the track. I found I could do turn 1 flat out, but judging by how the faster guys overtook me up the straight, I braked too much for turn 2, but even though I knew this, I could not take it any faster. Then the next problem corner was turn 5 where I am sure I could not get it right hardly ever. This is also the only corner I spun, which was in practice. Then turns 6,7 and 8 were fine (I think) but turn 9 and 10 was also an area I felt I was letting myself down. I tried to go around 9 with half accel. but because I was being pushed to the right hand side of the kart, it made me push it all the way, so I was full throttle when I only wanted half throttle. This made my entry to 10 awful, and so I was slow through there and slow through 11 and the start/finish straight.

Halfway through this stint, I was called in for a refuel. Somehow, I did not have the problems that others had and somehow knew what to do (even though they had not told us beforehand). I carried on after the fuel stop.

I suddenly started feeling very tired and found it difficult to turn the kart! Unbelievably I had done my time and Neil called me in for his second stint. It turns out we were about 2nd at this point, but the driver change dropped us to 5th. Then Neil clawed back the gaps and got us up to 1st (amazing drive!!)

About 18 minutes from the end, we changed again and I took over - I wasn't looking forward to it as much this time. My right hand really hurt and tingled all down one side of it (actually it is still not right as I write this). I decided that as there were 18 minutes left and each one was just under 1 minute, if I counted the laps, I would have some idea how long was left until the end. So I counted, 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... then halfway around 4 I said 5 in my head! 50ns later I laughed and asked myself why I had just said "5" when I have not finished the lap yet! The reason - I was concentrating so hard on driving the kart, I couldn't concentrate on counting laps. Then I passed the start/finish and counted 6 ... err..no 5 I think - we'll call it 5! I didn't get to 7! But as I was on my 11th (I know this afterwards from the time sheets!) the red flag was waved for the accident and we stopped. I have to admit, I was fairly pleased. I had been overtaken in this last stint twice, but not by anybody who could take a place away from us - we already lost 1st and 2nd at the pit stop!

I got out and Neil told me 3rd - I was very pleased!

Our fastest laps:
t1ger: 47.98 (lap 129)
Decibel: 47:00 (lap 46)
Average lap 51.85

It was lots of fun, and I must thank Neil and son again for their teammateship (new word!).

See you all next year!!!

Tim
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t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from tristancliffe :

On to the race, we had a rolling start. Which was great for the leader (Scotty), and Will (who's done them before). 3rd and below were caught out, and by the 3rd corner 1st and 2nd had half a straight lead


I was 3rd at the start, and it did indeed catch me out substantially!! I knew it was a rolling start, but I didn't think they would start speeding up where they did, and I wasn't paying attention or something!!

Quote from tristancliffe :
All was going well (ish), until my 6th lap or so when a loud bang occured on the fastest bit of the track as I hit the brake pedal (out of desire for brakes). I turned around to see my brake disc, in 5 pieces, bounce away from the kart, and I only just slowed down in time, proving that we did have brakes of a kind.

I just about saw those bits on the track, as they scraped underneath me!!

Quote from tristancliffe :
The racing, and the standard of driving was very very high, and on that respect I have nothing to complain about. But I am disappointed by the social side of it, particularly afterwards. Maybe it was my fault...

All in all it was a success though, so don't dwell on the negative side of things above.

I don't think this was your fault, I think it was ours (or me at least). Socialising is *not* my strong point and I though I did well talking (at length) to the 7 people that I did (yes I counted them!). But I was not able to socialise any more. I would like to have talked to yourself and Will and Ben (to name the ones I know the names of and recognised from the forums) but the opportunity did not arise. "Why did you not come back with us to the pub?" I hear you all cry - and the answer, if I am brutally honest is, I was scared. "Pubs" are also not one of my strong points - and mixed with socialising with people I do not know = /me go home!

I am really sorry if I ruined anybodys day because I did not socialise more - however, I need to start to get to know you all somewhere - so next year, if I am able to make it - I will have a head start and may be able to take myself to the after-karting bit!

As for the random teams bit - as I am the only person I know that loves LFS - I did this already and I think its a great idea.

Thanks for listening (if you still are)

Tim
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t1ger
S3 licensed
Some pics that I took - didn't get a great deal of chance to take any due to 20minutes of racing then 20minutes of recovering followed by more racing ....etc...etc... I was knackered! (and sadly still am )

ps karting5.jpg posted above by Will, is ME!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
That was great fun! Thanks to Tristan and Will for arranging the day (once you've argued between yourselves who did arrange what )

Thanks to Neil for being a fantastic team mate, and bigger thanks to your son for being our pit crew!!

Thanks to the Whilton Mill Karting track staff for a really well organised and run event!

It was good to meet you all (abeit breifly) but I feel much more a part of the LFS community now.

The little finger on my right hand is still tingling and that whole side of the hand seems to be numb!! However, as this is all that is wrong with me - I think I will take it! In the morning I am going to ache like hell, I just know it.

Me and Neil (The Young Ones) managed to qualify 3rd (thanks to Neil) and then we managed a very steady race pace (with just one spin) and finished 3rd. I can't remember who else came where, and I can not remember any of your real names that people told me (sorry!), but I hope to see you all online sometime.

EDIT: Just noticed there is a patch U11 now also - Scawen has been busy, so I guess I understand now why they did not come today! Long live Scavier!!!

Tim
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t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from tristancliffe :

Everyone ready? :banana:

I have been nervous for a few days now - I just want to get in that Kart NOW!. I have watched the video's and read the notes that Alan posted links too, so I hope I can try and put them into practice!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from Decibel :Ummm, don't think i'll have a problem there. My padding is built in and I just can't seem to remove it

ROFL

I can relate to that! I feel better now.

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
I am beginning to think that I may get hurt! Something bad always seems to happen to me when I am not with people I know, and your talk of rib protectors and proper suiting and clothing is making me think....

It is also getting me excited, which seems now to have overtaken the nerves! I haven't raced a kart for a few years (probably about 3 years - I think) but I do have my own suit and helmet from the days when we did and Compaq (pre HP "merger") sponsored us.

My other half is not coming, so I have room in the car if anybody is on the M1 corridor between Huddersfield and Nottingham. Just be aware that I am coming back up after the event and not staying over.

See you all there!!!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Current weather report for NN11 5NH is looking good. 24 degrees and partly cloudy. I did check at the end of last week and it showed "showers" so it could still change before the day... but here's hoping!

See following link for details:
http://uk.weather.com/weather/ ... nn11&code=5nh&y=9

Not long to go now, so I'm starting to get nervous!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from DEVIL 007 :Just enable max quality(AA+AF) when you take screenshots and put it back to setting which give you most performance when you are playing

Fair point, I can just never be bothered changing it!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from xapexcivicx :No no no. He forgot to apply ANY AA

Ouchhhhhh
But yeah, nice picture.

Its not that I forgot, I chose not to!

Anyway, just for you, here it is with 4x AA and 4x AF. As it happens, I do think it looks a lot better, and I will probably not bother to turn it off again and so will leave it on! (unless it affects my performance too much - I only have a nVidia 5700 Ultra)

Enjoy!
Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
You can download it here: http://silk.lfsnal.org/RaceManager.html

Unfortunately, I know nothing about it but I think all you need to know is on that site and in these forums. And if it is not there, just ask in the forum and somebody will help

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Is the CyberSeat motion simulator thing going to make an appearance this year? I know it went last year, and I appreciate that it was an indoor event, but there might be an indoor area this year that we could use.

Has it been thought of or checked or is it just not coming?

Anybody know?

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from Xaid0n :heh nice, are you actually touching the ground there? lol because it doesn't look like it ;P

I am not touching the floor at all, all four wheels are in the air. However, I do actually make the corner as I didn't want to take the screenshot from a lap where I am not clean. Doing so just made the screenshot feel "invalid" (call me strange illepall ). This is from my current fastest hotlap of Aston Historic.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :Nice picture...but you forgot to aplly some AA.

I do not run with AA on as a rule, I actually prefer the jagged clean lines that keeping it off provides. When it is anti-aliased I feel it looses the clarity. However, I could be wrong now, as this mindset started a long time ago for me. I will turn AA on and take another shot to compare - if it is loads better, I will post it!

Thanks for your comments guys - glad you like it.

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Quote from dUmAsS :no devs?

Didn't you mean:

?sved on!?!

Seriously, no devs, Victor has informed Tristan that they are not going to make it this year. Which is sad

But please please please do not let this put anybody off coming - it will still be a great event!

Tim
t1ger
S3 licensed
Here is a shot of probably the most "photgraphed" part of Aston

Enjoy!
Tim
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