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t1ger
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Quote from Greboth :Whoooo YEAH!!! :static:
The plug is a 2 prong plug thing lol, which is european and america afaik. Not had to get an adapter for them though.

How did you get by without an adaptor, may I ask (or am I being stupid?!)?

Quote from Greboth :
As for pixmania - Only got good things to say about them, ordered my g25 off of there and it came within a few days as they said.

So far so good for me too, but there are lots of people who are not so happy.

Tim
t1ger
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I ordered my G25 from Pixmania on Sunday night! I heard all the noise about Pixmania but I don't think they can be that bad all the time, so I took my chances!

It has been dispatched from the Leeds Parcel Force depot at 05:58 this morning so I expect delivery very soon!

I am expecting the manual to be in French and the power cord to be european and not UK, but these are all things I can overcome.

Tim
t1ger
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Quote from russraine :
Tim, and everyone in Nassa 2. I quite liked the emergency 2 minute quali we had to do before the race, very much fun, everyone having to do one flying lap, on track at the same time. I would actually suggest that for OLFSL itslef, although, think too many people would complain about it, but I think it's really good.

That was a rushed decision because I /end'd the qualify instead of /restart'd it, but yes, in the circumstances it seemed to work quite well and I thank you all on the NASSA 2 server for understanding and going along with it.

Unfortunately, I really do not think we can use it because I saw quite a few people spinning and generally not getting a good lap because they started behind slower cars.

Tim
t1ger
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Quote from horrgakx :Yeh thats what tripped me up (no pools). Finishing 4 laps down wasn't fun. My setup is lousy and I also didn't know that suspension could be damaged on that track without actually hitting anything . I'll see the first race in, I hope its nice and level.

To be honest horrgakx, finishing 4 laps down is a good result! At least you finished.

You will find when you race proper, you will be with a pool of other people who have around the same best lap time as you. Some of these could be able to sustain that hotlap for the entire 40 laps, and some, you will find, have less chance than you!

Basically, it IS worth sticking with it.

Sometimes your connection to the server will drop 3 laps from the end and you will want to scream so loudly that your little one will wake up and not be able to get back to sleep again! Then you will spend the next day ignoring the website because it hurts too much to see your result as a DNF!! (personal experience! ) BUT, it is still worth it. The feeling of purpose for a race and the feeling of working towards a result instead of just racing in "pick up" races online. It is great.

Also, you now have the knowledge that the track breaks the suspension. Other people who did not race at the weekend might not know this (or realise the effect that it actually has over 40 laps).

Try it! You will like it!

Tim
t1ger
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I used to play GPL (even before GP4) but since moving to XP it never quite ran so good!!

Anyway, I agree that Watkins Glen is the best track to use. It is quite short, so we should get a decent race and it is the track I used the most (so the one I know the best).

As for the car - I have no idea. I always used the green one!

Tim
t1ger
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I voted for timetable 3 this time. Now I know this looks like a bit of a U-turn for me, as previously I was saying no GPL at all. BUT - this way we don't look like a bunch of LFS fan boys that only want LFS and nothing else! (not that I care what other people think of me!) And 20 minutes each is probably a nice way to get warmed up and it doesn't count towards anything - its just for fun!

Also, if we do not try it, we will not know if it is worth doing next time (!) or not. We may find that it is better to have a GPL only event or a LFS only event. If we don't try it, we will never know!

The only slight query about timetable 3 for me would be: is it feasable for them to reconfigure their booths from GPL to LFS in 5 minutes?

Tim

edit: but, if the majority want LFS only, then I am cool with that.
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t1ger
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I am also glad you decided to stay Rudi!

@f1r3ba4ll - of course you can come back!

Lets make this the best season ever!

Tim
t1ger
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Isn't that "Helloooooooooooo, Hellooooooooooo, its good to be back, its good to be back" !

Anyway, I agree, it does look like a nice schedule. Looking forward to getting my teeth stuck into some meaningful hotlapping again!

See you all on track!

Tim
t1ger
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Quote from nihil :I wouldn't be too nervous about racing GPL. I take the point made about the 65s, but anyone who can put in consistent laps in the Sauber should be able to adapt to the 69 cars. Make the circuit somewhere like Kyalami (challenging, fast, but with a relatively small number of corners to remember) and I think even someone without any sim experience would be able to complete a race and get something from the event.

I take your point, and I absolutely agree with it.

If this was an all day event where we could do the morning in GPL and then have some lunch while all the equipment is reconfigured for the afternoon's LFS Session, with "seat" time limited to the 2 hours each, then this would work beautifully.

However, we are limited to 4 hours at the venue, with each person getting 2 hours of "seat" time. Therefore, I believe we have to be realistic about how we use the time, and having a GPL and LFS session, to me, is not realistic.

Tim
t1ger
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I have had to vote for no GPL. Sorry.

I don't know, but as you have the schedule pretty tight already (ie all 4 hours used to the minute), I just thought that it could take them 10 minutes to reconfigure all the booths from GPL to LFS and that could lose us valuable racing/qualifying time.

Whereas, if we remove the GPL, we can spread the time out a bit and not have to worry about quick driver changes and precision timing to fit everything in.

This is why I have voted for no. 3.

Tim
t1ger
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Quote from Bob Smith : Tiger - if you take the 5 minutes away from the GPL qualifying sessions, shouldn't the LFS race sessions become 20 minutes each? Atm you've got 20 minutes of spare time in your timetable.

I'm not sure about the shorter qualifying sessions, it often takes a couple of laps to get tyres up to temperature / back into the flow. Depending what combo we choose, 5 minutes might not even be enough for 2 laps.

Yes they should become 20 minutes! That is what was in my mind while I was writing it, but then I forgot to make the changes. Edited now.

Good point about the 5 minutes not being enough!

I didn't really want to say this because I wanted to give GPL a chance and not turn the event into a LFS only event, but I am beginning to think that without the GPL we would get more useful time. We are mostly LFS racers, some of us do play or have played GPL, but I would like to get better at LFS and use the time to practice what I have seen others do during the 4 hours and it feels like using GPL is wasting time which could be spent getting some benefit.

Tim
t1ger
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After some serious consideration and looking at the times you have proposed Ben, I have come up with the following modifications. However, please note that I am just pointing these things out, I am not saying they are better because.... well let me explain.

Suggestion 1
My main change would be in the length of the qualifying sessions. One thing I think would help would be to have more shorter qualifying sessions.

The 15 minute sessions for GPL are as long as the race itself, so it might be better having 10 minute or even 5 minute qualifying stints.

The main problem with this, that I can see, is that this will involve people swapping over more and could lead to actually having less time and maybe even running out of time before the races are finished.

In the LFS sessions, we have 15 minutes of qualify and then 15 minutes race. If the qualify was dropped to the following:

Quote :
LFS Activity
  • 5 minutes - LFS briefing
Car and track combo 1:
  • 10 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 10 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 5 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 5 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 15 minutes - Race (Bottom 10 qualifiers)
  • 15 minutes - Race (Top 10 qualifiers)
Car and track combo 2:
  • 10 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 10 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 5 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 5 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 15 minutes - Race (Bottom 10 qualifiers)
  • 15 minutes - Race (Top 10 qualifiers)

...then you get the chance to look at other peoples lines and techniques during qualifying and then get to put them into practice in your last 5 minute qualifying stint. This *might* give more excitement!

Like I say, it might also make it a logistical nightmare.

Suggestion 2
Finally, I personally think we should take 5 minutes from the GPL qualifying sessions and add it on to the LFS Race sessions.

So in summary, my updated version of events is as follows:

Quote :
Arrival
  • 15 minutes driver registration (can be reduced if names supplied in advance)
  • 10 minutes equipment briefing and event overview
GPL Activity
  • 10 minutes - 1st Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 10 minutes - 1st Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 10 minutes - 2nd Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 10 minutes - 2nd Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 10 minutes - Race (Bottom 10 qualifiers)
  • 10 minutes - Race (Top 10 qualifiers)
LFS Activity
  • 5 minutes - LFS briefing
Car and track combo 1:
  • 10 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 10 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 5 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 5 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 20 minutes - Race (Bottom 10 qualifiers)
  • 20 minutes - Race (Top 10 qualifiers)
Car and track combo 2:
  • 10 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 10 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 5 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 1)
  • 5 minutes - Qualifying Session (Group 2)
  • 20 minutes - Race (Bottom 10 qualifiers)
  • 20 minutes - Race (Top 10 qualifiers)
Close
  • 10 minutes - Champagne and Trophy presentations

Perhaps Adrian could shed some light on how easy changeovers are and if they should be kept to a minimum. If they should, then only my final change (Suggestion 2) would be valid.

Thanks

Tim
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t1ger
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Email sent!

Tim
t1ger
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Quote from GianniC :'the proces that needs to be done in order to make children but also can be done without making children by the use of a special flavoured thingy'.


:couple:

Well put Gianni!!

ps is that a picture of you in your avatar?
t1ger
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Yup, that was the best bit of online racing I have had for a while!!

Ant, I hope you didn't mind me fighting with you even though you were about 27 laps in front of me. That was a lot of fun for 5-6 laps or so .

(to those wondering why I was so far behind - I started late due to family commitments)

To any one who has the replay - watch me for the first couple of laps after I start on lap 28 (I think). I take the corner at the top of the "big dipper" so early... the result is quite spectacular - especially as it shows the physics off in LFS to their greatest (imho).

Looking forward even more to the start of the next OLFSL season.

Merry Christmas everybody!! resent: :wmann3:

Tim
t1ger
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Just stumbled across this thread!

I am also a Sim racing Dad. My 4 year old son likes "the driving game", not quite as much as "the train game" (Trainz Simulator 2006) but the glint in his eye is there

He used to like just crashing into the walls. He lets me get the car up to speed and then he takes the wheel and turns into the wall. Then he insists that I change to the exterior camera and check out the damage. He finds it hilarious when I cry out and tell him what damage he has done to my car!!

More recently he has been able to steer the car (albeit slowly) around Aston Cadet. When I praised him he wanted to do it again and then he wanted to show his Mum and his Nana.

His Mum is slightly interested in LFS and has tried driving a few times but she is not hooked like I am.

Tim

ps I am 31.

edit: pps I am also really good at killing off threads!!
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t1ger
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Here are my votes:

Site: LFSForum - definitive resource for all things LFS in my opinion. The Inferno setup field site has setups, but the forum has all the details on how to use the setups and so much more!

Application: Analyse for Speed - It has helped me greatly in getting good times since I have started using it (which is only recently). Simple and effective.

League: OLFSL - I am biased, and I do not know any of the other leagues because I do not have time to race in more than one. I do like the look of the STCC.

Team: NASSA - I have always had good races against the members of NASSA, so they definately get my vote. Although the Pheonix team comes a close second!

Tim
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t1ger
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I turned all music (even in menu's) off a long time ago. At one point, I did take some music from some CDs I had and ripped them to MP3 then converted them to the OGG format, but I soon got more serious about my racing and turned all music off. It is amazing the difference it makes when you can't hear the engine sounds - I usually forget to change gear if I can't hear the engine.

Tim
t1ger
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For what its worth, I use the original Microsoft Sidewinder Wheel with FF (the one that plugs in through a game port) and I run Win XPsp2. I do not use the Sidewinder 4 software at all - I used to when I originally installed XP ages ago, but now it is not required for it to work flawlessly with seperate axis in LFS (or any recent game for that matter). Older games, made before XP always set the pedals inverted so the brake was on until you pressed the pedal - this was very annoying.

LFS was the first driving game I found that allowed me to invert the pedals. Before that I had to run Win98 to play Geoff Crammonds F1GP4.

Tim
t1ger
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Quote from Blackout :I think he understands that

Oh dear, I seem to have lost my mind - I posted all that yesterday illepall illepall illepall

I am going to shut up now
t1ger
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Quote from RudiTurbo :
I was the one who suffered this time, while knowing troughout the season 2 worst results will be excluded in the end, why is my 0 kept? arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Hi Rudi,

I understand your frustration, but your 0 was dropped as one of your lowest results. I know this is not going to help you, but let me explain the scoring system so you can understand why the results are as they are.

Firstly, the top 3 scored points over the entire season as follows:

cyber|prophet: 1103
1st >> lastpunisher: 998
OCR|RudiTurbo: 1055

This includes all points from all 10 races.

Then the two worst events are dropped and this gives:

cyber|prophet: 937
1st >> lastpunisher: 892
OCR|RudiTurbo: 943

Now the last thing that happens is the attendance formula, this is the number of races attended divided by the total number of races - 2. This gives us the following for each of you:

cyber|prophet: 10/8 = 1.25
1st >> lastpunisher: 10/8 = 1.25
OCR|RudiTurbo: 9/8 = 1.125

This number is then multiplied by your points as follows:

cyber|prophet: 937 * 1.25 = 1171.3
1st >> lastpunisher: 892 * 1.25 = 1115
OCR|RudiTurbo: 943 * 1.125 = 1060.9

I know this doesn't make it all better, but hopefully you can see how it works and we can all understand how it can be made better in future.

Please don't think I am having a go at anyone, I just want everybody to see what has happened, hopefully we can learn from it and make next season even better.

Thanks

Tim

(ps if anyone followed that, well done! )
t1ger
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hmmm, good point
t1ger
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Maybe its time for a quick poll and go with the majority!

Choices could be:

1. Same as it is.
2. Same as it is but with no penalty for missing 20% of races. Penalty starts if you miss more than 20%.
3. Straight points system with no complex calculations (just add 'em up).
4. Something else (if anyone can think of something).

Any body up for creating the poll, perhaps it should be staff?

Tim
t1ger
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For those of you who don't understand the current rules: this is how I believe it works. I have got the same points as in the standings so I believe it is correct
The formula uses 3 items defined as follows:

a) races finished
This is, by my understanding, the amount of races that you turn up for and race in, regardless of whether you finish or not. DNSHs do not count towards this, only finishes and DNF.

b) total races - 20%
This is the total number of races - 20% of the races. In the case of 10 races, this means 8 races.

c) total points
This is the total points you have accrued across all the races - the lowest scores from 20% of the races. In the case of 10 races this means 2 worst events.

The formula then is a/b*c (a divided by b multiplied by c)

So, let’s say for example that you have scored 1055 (as per RudiTurbo) and he has missed one race the figures are as follows:

a = 9
b = 8
c = 943 (which is 1055 minus his two lowest events Event 4=0, Event 6=112)

Using the formula we get 9 divided by 8 equals 1.125 then multiply this by 943 equals 1060.875 which is rounded up to 1060.9 (which is the score Rudi got!)

For myself the numbers are

a = 8
b = 8
c = 553

So here I get 8/8 = 1 * 553 = 553!

I hope this clears it up for you all, and if I am wrong please correct me. (I don't think I am!)

Tim
t1ger
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Quote from Scawen :Good results!

Vista people, please verify that the delay is "true". What I mean is, when you set to that safe value of 0.05, and you then change the frequency with A and Z, is the delay really that small? 0.05 should be unnoticeable.

You'll know if there's a problem, i.e. a "hidden lag" because the changing of the frequency would be noticeably delayed after pressing the A or Z key (sort of like it is when you set to 0.30).

What I'm trying to establish, is 0.05 in Vista the same as it is in XP (i.e. too small to perceive).

No noticeable delay here at 0.05.

Thanks
Tim
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