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Last edited by sermilan, Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:42.

Quote from Syfoon :

I agree with RevengeR, you can't really put a ban on overtaking in certain areas.

Drivers will need to realise that it's damn risky to attempt an overtake at either of the FE2 chicanes

Agree.

But there's absolutely no need for any kind of insult if someone doesn't share the opinion.

Just file the bloody report if you think I'm to blame and don't spread the story any more.

And, please, answer me those questions from my last post, regardless who's to blame for the actual incident.

Please, get back on my previous post and read again on why I din't look at you and please go back to my 2nd previous post to read about "forum mess" and what created it.

Of course I watched the replay of the incident, you said it your self "pathetic, spend time watching the replay..." or something like that. For the RevengeR's youtube, please, again go back to my previous post.

Quote from PaulC2K :

As ive said, maybe *IF* you'd let us get to the corner it could have turned out i hadnt left you room, but on the basis that we never got to the corner because you took us both out, your excuse is pretty far fetched.

The thing is you never gave me enough room for safely going through and yet threw all sorts of words at me as if I had Wembley of space but just decided to hit you.
You'll probably get away with "what HAD happen and not what WOULD'VE HAPPEN IF", but don't give me this "huge amount of space I gave you", when there was none.

EDIT: just sow your last post above

Please leave out the "brat, spoiled, not mature etc.", now you're becoming pathetic. You said that so many times now and yes we all learned what you think of me and there's no point of repeating it.

To be honest, what I was mostly pissed off was the radical change in decision and suddenly "if you want to report sermilan then we'll punish him. If you don't, than we want". What kind of judging is that?
If you think I am to blame for this incident and you obviously do - than make the bloody report and have me penalized! Don't be so fakely simphatetic for me. Please, do not protect me - just file the bloody report and make it simple. Why didn't you make the report in the first place? What kind of a racing incident it was when I was so obviously weaving on so much space you gracefuly gave to me and eventualy hit you? Make the bloody report.

Why didn't you leave me space enough for us to safely go through? Why were you aiming at the appex of that corner when you knew I was just beside you? Where did you expect me to go? Grass? Crash? Fly over? Were you expecting me to bounce of you and go on the grass and then in the fence? How long do you think we would have before the eventual crash if we hadn't crash where we have? But leave out "weaving, I crash you, pathetic, crybaby, whining, not mature etc..."

Last edited by sermilan, Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:28.

Quote from PaulC2K :

So to highlight the fact that ALL the questions you need answering in the 3 posts you'd made, have already been answered, you need answers to it all over again??

I held 1 line, and kept my car straight throughout that, continually looking to my right to see where you were.
You on the other hand were weaving all over the place, didnt look even once where i was and couldnt have known, and before we even got to the corner you'd turned into me taking me out.

So for all your whining, STFU and watch the incident, READ whats already been said before you start questioning things which are already answered, and then tell me what i did wrong, and how your weaving and turning into me causing us both to spin wasnt the cause of the incident.
Your only excuse is that HAD we got to the corner, apparently we wouldnt have had room!? Well, HAD you let us get to the corner, instead of spinning us both out, maybe that would have been true, but unfortunately you didnt let us get to the corner.
All this time i thought we were reviewed & punished on what HAD happened, not what MIGHT have happened.

As for the number of posts ive made, I made ONE asking for an explanation of what the penalty was for, i didnt moan or insult the admin in doing so. The 2nd, i only told you exactly what was already quite clearly available for you to read if you'd bothered reading before posting THREE pathetic whiney crybaby posts demanding the incorrect result of you taking someone out and getting away with it should stand.
So because i ask a question or answer one in a reasonable manner, means im moaning too, just because your throwing a tantrum like a toddler.
For someone whos moaning, its amazing how my moaning is mature enough to consider you wrecking me mid-race could be a racing incident and im willing to let it go, while you on the other hand appear to be hell-bent on blaming innocent parties and throwing a tantrum in the process.

Your 3rd one, told you you'd get there...

I don't recall insulting you once in our argument so leave your "STFU" for those who do. Also, words like "whining, pathetic, crybaby etc." can be insulting and I think are not necessary if we want to have "mature" exchange of opinions. That is if you didn't really mean to insult me from the very first post?

I'll tell you what I think you did wrong: watch the screenshot I've attached to this post, please. It's a moment just before we crash. Now, pay attention where your car is hedding, especially where your right side of the car is hedding and tell me: where are those light years of space you're claiming you gave me??????????? Do you really think we can both pass through there safely?
"Weaving all around (light years of space, really...)" or not, the crash was inevitable on that moment or 0.2 secs later.

Now look at the two guys in front... look how much space Neshaz is giving to Figuar even though Figuar did not start overtaking. But that's called "safely through" or "just in case". And they both went through and continue fighting through the very next corner. That's what I was expecting from you!

I never looked at you because I was already on the far right side of the track and "knowing your position" would not change much because I had almost no track left to part from you. But the sound of your engine was telling me you were close and I expected just a bit of room to pass there safely for both of us. Unforunately...

EDIT: and yes... lifting off the throttle pedal for me is out of the question. This is racing, we all want to go through the finish line as fast as we can and hopefuly faster than anyone else on the track

@RevengeR - I don't mind you telling your opinion, on the contrary.

Quote from michele0676 :

1. Yes, but i thought that the damaged guy in that crash was u ! I totally inverted the situation.

2. There are 3 king of penalties, 10 & 30 seconds and disqualification.
It depends by incident gravity, if guys involved lost some position, if there are car damaged, if after incident guy return position, etc etc etc.

3. How explain in 1. i did a big mistake in that protest and i inverted your and his position in incident. U caused that incident and u had no negative consequences.

1. I really don't know how you could review the incident and miss such a crucial thing as who is to be given the penalty and who's not... If you'd found me guilty for this from the begining, none of this forum mess would've had happen. If I submit a report on somebody (or if anyone else submits a report), I expect it to be reviewed fully before making a decision. This... only creates mess, as you can see and I really find it at least not serious enough.

Maybe you should check again the other incident that I reported, maybe you would change your mind there, as well?

At points 2 and 3 I didn't mean what kind of penalties are given, but what rules exactly you apply to decide who is to be penalized...

At this particular issue, my point was "always leave enough room to the passing car" was not respected, that's why I decided to raise the report. The same point was for my second report.
In my opinion, lifting of the throttle pedal is out of the question for both reports (but different actors), since this is racing and not city driving.

What rule exactly you applied for this incident? Did you take in consideration "always leave enough room to the passing car" and will you take it in the future or not?

Quote from PaulC2K :

3 posts all moaning about the same thing? Very mature.

1,2 & 3) Read the posts which already answer the question. He never intended to give ME the penalty, it was a mistake, YOU were the one who should have been penalised, he NEVER changed his mind, only corrected a mistake in the published outcome of the incident.
I'd imagine the penalty was for having enough room for the corner, and then deciding to turn into the other driver sending him spinning off the track just before the corner itself. And again, it was YOU, never me.

I've made it very clear that i felt it was a racing incident, even though it cost me considerably more time and places than it did to you, nor did i get an appology for being taken off. If you wish for the ORIGINAL (not incorrect) decision, 30sec added onto YOUR time, then im more than happy to go with the admins original decision at your insistance.

Let me know your choice, i'll be only too happy to oblige, particularly after agreeing to drop YOUR penalty, for a incident YOU caused, which YOU reported, and YOU have since started crying about because its outcome was incorrectly published. I have very little sympathy for you now, clearly your just looking to blame anyone and everything, despite making irratic driving mistakes which ruin other peoples races while having very little impact on your own and show no remorse or even a care in the world.

I never sow he took you as his lawyer?

If you want to contintue arguing with me on this subject, then answer my post that was addresed to you, this one is for him to answer.

"3 posts all moaning about the same thing? Very mature." - this is your 2nd, you'll getting there

Last edited by sermilan, Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:42.

@michele0676 - will you please explain why did you change your opinion on mine & PaulC2K incident as soon as he started bitching on the forum?

1. Did you ever look at the incident before making your original decision?
2. What rule exactly did you apply when you decide to give him the 30 secs penalty?
3. What rule exactly did you apply when you decide that I was to blame for that incident?

This is very important, I need to know what kind of rules are in place for this league, so please answer me.

Last edited by sermilan, Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:17.

Quote from PaulC2K :

Seeing as ive only just seen this, and theres no effort to contact people who were involved for them to have their say or any announcement of the penalties on here...

Why was i given a 30-sec penalty for "crash with sermilan" when he clearly had room and started weaving/wobbling around and ultimately turns left into me for a right kink corner, of which not once did he make any effort to look where i was to see if there was room to weave about in. I made it clear i was protecting the inside line for the corner,left him plenty of room, yet he drove irratically and made no attempt to check where i was, turned into me just before the apex of the corner and spun both of us, causing me to go from 12th down to pretty much last through , and *I* was the one who lost time and 6+ places, and despite that i was only 8sec behind him same place the following lap.

I didnt cry about it, despite the fact that i'd taken the corner perfectly cleanly and given him ample room to go through the section, i just accepted it as a racing incident and left it at that. Instead he takes ME out, moans about losing a smidgin on time, and yet I get a 30sec penalty? Someone needs to grow a pair, and accept THEIR part in the incident, rather than instantly look for someone else to blame.

Absolutely pathetic, and spending some time to study the incident would prove that, and would result in a completely different outcome.

I've already explained in the last post what I thought of our "racing accident", so I won't repeat my self.
"Growing a pair" doesn't mean "don't giving a **** about anyone else" in my opinion.
Giving "ample room to go through" should not consider the grass, only the track!
"Moaning about losing a smidgin on time" - for foolish reasons I do regret loosing time. Moaning... consider it as you wish, but I think it's complaining. I'd rather do that than being a bully on track or do revenge wrecking... for now, at least...
"*I* was the one who lost time and 6+ places..." - that was your own fault, in my opinion. If you'd left me enough room there, we could've both went through and you could've challenged me even on the very next corner.
"I didnt cry about it" - then don't start now. Better think about it.
"despite the fact that i'd taken the corner perfectly cleanly" - it would've been IF I WASN'T THERE!!!!
"Absolutely pathetic, and spending some time to study the incident" - pathetic or not, wanted to see who's fault it really was. In the race I thought it was yours, but I needed to check to make sure.


The race incident was at AS2, race 1, pool A, lap 11, begining of the 2nd sector, for all who wish to know.

Furthermore, I call for change in the complaint rules. Let it be open for anybody to see, not only PM to the admin and we will avoid this kind of "surprises" in the future.

Quote from michele0676 :

OMG really sorry mate, but i think that i've made a little mistake !

Infact Sermilan open protest for that but sincerely u was clean, u did change line one 1 times and sermilan, i think, had to toggle gas !

I delete immediately your penalty !

Original 30 secs penalty was for Sermilan, not for u !

If u want consider that a race incident then i do not assign penalties to Sermilan.

AGAIN SORRY MATE.

WHAT??????????
ORIGINAL 30 SECS PENALTY WAS FOR SERMILAN, NOT FOR U!????????
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????????????????

I started overtaking him and was on the inside line ALREADY, when he was aiming at appex, not leaving me any room there, WHILE I WAS ALREADY BESIDE HIM, and it was MY FAULT???????????????????

WHAT RULES ARE WE APPLYING HERE????????????
"u did change line one 1 times and sermilan, i think, had to toggle gas !" - well, let me clear something for you... he can change his line 1 time off the racing line and then get back to it whenever he wants at any straight, BUT BEFORE SOMEONE STARTS OVERTAKING MANOUVRE. WHEN THAT ONE IS ALREADY BESIDE HIM, HE HAS TO LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM, OTHERWISE HE WILL PUSH HIM OFF THE TRACK, wouldn't he??????????????????????????????

"Racing accident" or "sermilan's fault" MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know if this is a bug or whatever.

Also don't know if it's because I was using Z15 or not, but please check the replay on T2 between AMT>>sermilan and Eiw.

There was no lag, yet the car behaived very strangely. It felt as I'd been hit with a huge sledgehammer.

Ky2r

Overmax - so sorry for that... really didn't want to end your race like that.
All I wanted is to keep challenging you.

Really sorry for that

I just want to say that I've enjoyed CTRA for more than a year. You guys have done tremendous job in promoting both LFS itself and some standards in fair racing.
So sad to hear that you've mostly got exhaustion out of it in the end

Quote from NeSHaZ :

AMT Div A/Div B skins

Please note that I'm using the name "FO8_AMT_08_SM 1.jpg" for this FO8 skin. It's uploaded to LFSW as such.

@Cue-Ball & AndroidXP - my appologies, guys!

The reason why the car handled differently in Y and Z patches is because I didn't set the controls evenly

I'll say no more...

Quote from AndroidXP :

Go here, download a WR replay, play it with patch Z. If it doesn't go out of sync (OOS) - and it won't - then the physics haven't changed.

Try this set on KY2r @ FOX combo on both patches. It's more unstable on patch Z than on patch Y and it doesn't have the same grip.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

Placebo effect.

Quote from AndroidXP :

Probably your imagination playing tricks on you, due to the new cockpit and all.

No, it's not. I've been running both patches one after another and I've tried the same combo (KY2R @ FOX) with the same set file, but it DOES NOT handle the same.

I've been practicing that combo for a few days now, fot the next OWRL race, and I do now what I'm saying...

Quote from AndroidXP :

The FOX hasn't been changed, otherwise the patch Y replays with the FOX wouldn't work anymore.

But the handling is significantly different now?

I've got a question:
the list of changes / improvements doesn't include any about FOX (the only car I tried in Z so far...), but the interior...

Yet it handles differently with the same set and on the same track, depending on the Y or Z patch.

Can someone please explain what changes have been made to the default settings, so I could adjust my setups?

Thanks

Quote from Leprekaun :

Guys, since the entries are low, are you ok with the idea of delaying it 1 week to try and get more entrants or just do it tonight?

Let's delay it and try to gather at least 20 racers. The race is long and it would be just hotlapping if it was with only 11 guys.

I'm interested

LFS username: sermilan
LFS screen name: AMT>>sermilan

Just to make sure, 19:00 GMT is 21:00 CET?

LFSWorld Username: sermilan
I would like to run for the position of nation's manager: no
Skills: driver

Had a nice battle for the lead on 2nd server with Zolo... Then on the 16th lap some kind of bug (caused by Fusion/Jack's crash probably) launched me to the sky...

Too bad, it was a nice race...