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Humbleridderen
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Ok, apology accepted, and sad to hear you have time problems. I hope the other teams will not be affected of you decision , so we can make the League continue. I like the way it has been untill now, so with all teams help it can be good. But it is the drivers own decision, If we all come to the races other will come. If we stay away, people will stay away!
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Humbleridderen
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Quote from renchix :Yesterday race was very good, mouse wasn`t laging and i haven`t made some big mistakes!
What happend with Alias team in 2nd race (Main race), lol!?

I have seen replay now on what was happening...all the alias guys.

I am telling this in a very direct, frank and probably provocating way. But how else can I say something honestly? It has to be said. I hope they can see behind the lines and understand that I have nothing against them. I find the Alias team, big and good in many ways, but lately I have seen them doing foolish things and it has to be criticised. (also the wrecking from Valentin in the previous race..he have apoligised and got a penallty for that)

It begins with Holme, who already in the first 5 laps starts to go back and forth letting his team mates pass him easily . He is not really racing for position.
Then I am fighting with Franke for 4th position and won that battle with Franke trying to chase me. He couldn´t, because he had not prepared himself to have fast and steady times over many laps. Then he makes mistakes and after some time, he starts to be bored and writes in chat "What a waste of life" and Holme answered "Get a Life!"

The Alias guys is talking to each other in TS, so I guess they are "negativating" the whole thing, and agree that the whole thing is pointless and so. Then they start to fool around on the track most of them.

I think they are influencing each other in a negative way in the TS and on the chat, so they find themselves in a boring and pointless situation.

Most of them meet up unprepared and off course they can´t keep the pace. I am sure if they had prepared themselves a bit better, we wouldn´t have had this situation, because then they could have battled for positions with the other teams. Instead they get an unsportsly attitude and starts fooling around and disturbing the concentration for the others.
I used my my concentration on thinking in many laps, what I should do about Holme, who stopped his car on the grass, without going into spectate, as the rules say. Very disturbing and demotivating

Finally I decided, to kick him, as the rules allow. Short after this, they all abandoned the race after a little manisfestion in the sand banks.

Ok, Alias, let me see it from your point of view. You are in a team competition, team against team and because you are all last in the field you have no point in racing for position against each other (when you can´t race for position against other teams, because of your lack of preparation)

I understand the dilemma! But i can´t accept your negative way of reacting to this. The correct way, would have been, that you tried your best in this race and gain the positions you could have got there and no demotivating chat!
After the race you should write to me about your dilemma and I could make some changes to the league concept. You know, I always listen to constructive criticism, right?

The other thing is, that we were only half of the cars, as we normally were. Too bad, because it made it all more boring. But it really just made everyting worse, that you all left.

Now i will propose some changes to the koncept, if all teams agree about that.

If we start having both team points and individiual points, would that be better?

And in that case, should it be from the start of the league or from now on?


All suggestions are welcome
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Humbleridderen
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Quote from Franke :End of the line for me in this league...

Regards
Franke... Click

Franke, could be good to talk about, what happened. I don´t think you were aware of the rules, so let´s have a talk, ok?
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Humbleridderen
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DeanoAppo is no longer in our team and can therefore not join the league unless he find another team.
Humbleridderen
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IMPORTANT:

The race 09 September has been moved to Tuesday 16t September, due to problems with my time to administrate the league, because of a new work. I will maybe change the calendar in the future for fitting better to my work situation.

I come back to that later on!
Humbleridderen
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Quote from justingt5 :Just did a test and i used LFS points to show the standings from one of the races in round 1 and it was easy to use and read, something as basic as that would do the trick, stats are good but people are more interested in the points arent they??

The spreadsheet style from last season was good, but my opinion is that it was a little busy and quite difficult to read, personally i think a basic points standing for the teams would suffice?

have a look at the attached.

i have not shown the average points that are going to be used as i couldnt be bothered to work it out for an example, also ignore the mistake in the points allocations for positions, i was being quick.

I couldnt upload the example as HTML so i had make it a PDF, but doing this lost the colours???

Thx for looking at it, but the points will be a lot different from this, as we are working with average points and the Alias team has chosen to register 2 teams, an A and B team, so they will count as two fixed and separate teams. These two will not be summarized at all. Would be unfair to the others. It´s the teams ability to work together and achieve good common results, which will be rewarded.

See the Team list here: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=883179#post883179

I think Sweptech can have a look at the program you are using and see if he can use it.
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Humbleridderen
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Quote from thesloth :Are this seasons results posted somewhere? Can't seem to find them.

It´s sweptech, who is making the points and he is telling me, that he is working with it to work as he would like.
There are some difficulties, but I am sure he will find a solution very soon.
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Humbleridderen
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Quote from andRo. :Ohh well..I should of got that penalty. But valentin got upset that I overtook him, and before that crash he was crashing into my back. For no reason, then I lost control of the car a bit while looking at him, and turn to the right, where we both touched each other, and he was pushing me on purpose, you can see there that he was braking, and then he started gasing and pushin, and then he braked, and I spinned him, by accident, cause I tried to turn to the right. And in the 1st lap, he pushed me away in the same place where the crash happened. He was passing me, and pushed me away, and over took me, and didn't even appologise. But I know I should of got that penalty. My lags made other people crash. Sry guys. Next time I'll be more careful, those crashes weren't done on purpose.
Thx for the race anyways, it was fun.

Fine. let´s leave it here. Make it simple! You got a penalty according to the rules for your mistake and Valentin got one for his later on.

I don´t think there are any of you, who doesn´t want to race fair, but sometimes we fail for some reason...mostly because, we get too excited. Therefore we have the rules and penalties to guide us a bit. Use them for future improvements!
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Humbleridderen
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Grats to Vuorinen (and the NordicOne team) for the 2 victories. I have to look in the rules, if there is any rules against aliens

Despite of some unlucky situations with some cars getting in too much clinch and upset, I found the as1r/xfg race very funny and exciting. Both sprint and main has a length which makes the race eventful and interesting. If you have an incident, you can work your way back up the field to be in the front part of the field. So no need to log off

What I, as an admin, was a bit unhappy about, was that we didn´t got the main race restarted, because there was a car, which was caught in spectate, because of another car crashing into him under lag start and sent him out.
I will be more aware of this in the future and restart the race, if i see it.

Also, don´t crash into others under lag start. Lag start is a test for the cars to try out the first turns, so the real start will be better. It is also a test to see, if the server behaves correct. You got my point? A clean lag start is for the benefit of all..also you!

EDIT: Strange the episode with Fabio got sent out in spectate under lag start by a wild car (valentin having fun), but he rejoined the race from garage and despite of this he was last in the restart. LFS bug I think!
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Humbleridderen
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UNITY Tuesday Race - 2nd season
as1r/xfg - Mainrace lap 7

Concerning complaint from Rooney99..and admin

According to this rule:

3. Disturbing, wrecking, not obeying admins advices, warnings or orders or repeatedly continuing to be careless or disrespectfull.

A. If you are not really racing and in that case not going into spectate or leave the server. We will not have anyone just playing around.
B. If disturbing with chatting. It is not allowed under quaifying and race. A few smileys or short race relevant conversation is allowed, but only to an absolute minimum.
In these case, A or B, it can cause kicking for the actual race or banning for a minimum of 1 event day, maýbe more. Only admin decides what is best for the situation and the league

The upset Valentin will be penalized with ban for the next race for trying to wreck the race. If this happens again he will be banned for the rest of the season.

Attachments shows two occations where he keeps his car totally stopped in several seconds in the middle of the raceline and a car (renchix) crashing into him and others avoiding him. (see replay, lap 7. main race)
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Humbleridderen
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Unity Tuesday Race - 2nd season
as1r/xfg - Mainrace lap 7


I have had time to look at the incidents involving andRo. and Valentin.

According to this rule:
2. Accidents, cheating or causing unneccesary risks to others, because of careless and disrespectful driving concerning the other drivers and rules. F.ex cutting (4 wheels on the grass on the inside of a curve), not to be careful when entrying/exiting from pit or grass, not obeying blue flag, (when you have a fair chance to do it), bumping into another car repeatedly, obstruction to hinder to be overtaken (not the same as defensive driving, where you don´t have any contact and you can have one defensive move in the overtaking situation)
These offenses gives 5 points penalties.

I give andRo. 5 penalty points for obstruction. You made contact in your attempt to hinder to be overtaken

The attachments just shows the sudden move for not being overtaken. See replay for the whole episode.
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Humbleridderen
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Quote from rooney99 :I'm sure lots of you will agree after watching the replay of the main race that the actions of J.Valentin were shocking! He obviously got a bit upset after crashing with the 4sr-t driver, but to purposely park his car on the racing line on two occasions was unacceptable. I hope action is taken against this sort of behaviour. I did notice some aggressive moves during the race, as in moving off the racing line more than once to block a passing car. Most of the incidents were just caused by people not realising that there were cars on the inside of them.

Noted, but it could help a lot, if you could tell me the exact laps of the situations ...also you Valentin
Humbleridderen
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Quote from MZWiZard :Race 2 - Sprint and main - multiple laps:

andro.something dont know how to drive other than hotlapping, it seems. He crashes several drivers from our team and finally me.

Im done with these races...

Intead of quitting, let us look at the case in a serious way..not that emotional!
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Humbleridderen
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Quote from azlan608 :Sorry Cramer, but I won´t be able to participate in Tuesday Races 2!!

Too much vacation and candy forces me to go and play some soccer... and unfortunately that´s on tuesdays....and thursday....and saturdays (if I should been so lucky that I get picked for the team!!)

I really am sorry but have a good one...

That´s allright..Time will come
Enjoy your life and this Candy, (who is she?)
Humbleridderen
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Quote from U4IK ST8 :Ok, I'm in!

Team: Red Mist Racing
LFS Username: U4IK ST8

Oki
Humbleridderen
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Qualifying will start 19.40 (CEST) instead of 19.25 (CEST) in the future and qualifying will be only 15 minutes now.

Another thing, the server name is changed to Unity & TDRT Race Server as TDRT wants to use our server for their races on thursdays, because of the better stability and I have agreed to let them.

and...

There are some adjustment to the rules, so you can read them again please
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Humbleridderen
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Thx for a great race. It was a little dramatic for some. South City in Uf1 is a dramatic cocktail with lots of accidents. Let´s see with the other road cars.

Ther is one thing I want to clarify:
These rules:
Start again from garage (Shift+p) is allowed
Rejoin after you have been disconnected or logged off is allowed


I saw Kniebeejs being disconnected. After this he rejoined and left the server again. I don´t think you were aware of the above rule AND that your team needs your points, even you only gain for example 12 points. Remember it´s a team battle. Some points are still better, than logging off. Logging off gives 0 points, which will be included in the counting of the average points.. You should have rejoined the race. All starting racers will count. Read the rules in the description of the league.

But when this is said, I can see that we have a problem with the disconnect rule. Because the rules says that disconnect gives no punishment. This is a problem, because then it is better to stay away completely. So maybe we should say that disconnect gives 1 point less than last finisher.

And why not do the same with those who just log off. It wil be difficult to check all this anyway.

Comments, protests?

I think that it is what we should do, and give Kniebeejs and DeanoAppo, (who didn´t know, it was allowed to use shift+p) 1 point less than last finisher.

This is now implemented in the rules. Can be changed if I hear very good arguments

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Humbleridderen
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Quote from justingt5 :see you guys have lots of drivers surely one of you guys can join RMR, i know AZLAN608 didnt have a team before??

He joined Alias, some days before I changed his team.

Come now to the server
Humbleridderen
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Ok, we give 75% points to singkle racers, but only for the first 3 races. These points can be transfereed to your team, if it gets bigger.
Humbleridderen
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Quote from MZWiZard :Since this is a team series, may I suggest that you are awarded 75% score? That way, you will race for something - and it would be fair to the other teams too, since we are at double or more risk not to complete a race with good results...

How about it, admin?

Yes, let´s have some others comments too

Justing: If you read the rules, it´s said that you all teams will have their added points divided by the number of starting cars.. so in fact you wil have an advantage by being one driver, but also a disadvantage if you fail.
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Humbleridderen
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Quote from justingt5 :I Have Pm'd You Deano.

Justin, if you don´t find another driver now, you can race single under your own team name for 3 races, but without gaining points, because there is no fair way to do that.

If another single driver turns up, you can try to race with him. t-1 or in your own team.
Humbleridderen
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The rule about average points from each team has been modified. Please read the first post and understand that it will be important for each team to work together and drivers should not log out. Teamspirit is the way to go!
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Humbleridderen
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I have been reflecting on this rule.

"In the end all the cars points from each team will be added up. (f.ex. Alias 1 + Alias 2 + Alias 3 = total) and divided by the number of cars from that team to give an average point standing) This way a small team can compete with a bigger team."


I think, I will add to this, that, if a team driver log out by himself (not disconnect) he will be counted as scoring 0, if he doesn´t return to the track. For example a team has 4 drivers starting in a race and during the race one of them is logging out. This wiill mean that we count like this. X+X+X+0=total and divided by 4.

This is to prevent cheating by telling the last driver in a team to log of and get a better average.

In fact, it will be even more important to have a well working team with team spirit, where they are not just there, but actually are working together to achieve a common goal.

A team competition for REAL teams

Any comments to this before i apply the rule?
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Humbleridderen
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IMPORTANT:
After some requests from Latvia about changing the time chedule to 1 hour earlier, and nobody have protested, I have decided that we start 1 hour earlier, than we had done in the previous Tuesday Race League.

The new times are added to the first post in this thread. I hope that everybody can adapt to the new times.
Humbleridderen
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Quote from thesloth :I'm in please thankyou .
Team: HoboStove Racing
LFS Name: thesloth

Fine. Remember you have to at least 2 from your team or you will be into one of the T-1 teams
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