1. No, this feature works only on S2 servers...
2. The feature only works online, howevrt if on a LAN, it's easy for everybody to put all their skins into one folder and then everybody downloads that folder into the skins_x...

and all photos shot at the race track in Most, where I work as a Sport Manager

Quote from inCogNito :

There is no such thing like "ignoring a blue light".

It would be nice if LFS checks if someone crosses the yellow line and gives a penalty.

In the Czech League - Actual Linux Summer Cup, I penalise this on the second infraction (first infraction - warning)...

that's already there... but only for S2 licensed racers...

Quote from Soper :

First thing I really missed was the Track to be adjusted at the cars.
I mean the distance between the left and the right wheel.

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Was perfect to ensure stability and for some fat looking Screenies to present skins

regards
Fox

this was in S1, but was removed since everybody used the max setting anyway...

Quote from tailing :

I think they should either remove the option to buy a new S1 license or set it somehow so that if a dedi server is only using S1 content then it's flagged or something as an S1 server. It would still be in the same server list for S2 players so that they will see it and possibly join. If the admin wants to change something and allow some S2 content he will get a warning saying that doing so will disconnect all S1 drivers.
If they continue selling S1 licenses then they should make a note for people saying that the vast majority of people are either on the demo or S2 and that they might not be able to adequately test out the multiplayer aspect.

To be honest though I think the simplest thing is to stop selling S1 licenses, paying the full price for S2 is not expensive and it just creates confusion. S1 is the old S1 to me, the new S1 is more like S1.5.
I think everything would be so much simpler if there was just S2 and the S2 demo. People who own S1 can still unlock it as they do now but stop selling new S1 licenses.

Well why remove the option to buy the game in parts? For you 24 pounds is maybe not much, but there are people for which it is and they are not willing to pay it at once... Buying the game in parts seems to partially solve this...

Well, IRL when the westhill track was in planning stage, the FIA safety commision would do something to get the racing line from the pit exit. They have done that on the track I work at... For Westhill it would be better for the pits to be on the other side...
And the flashing blue light would be nice.

Last edited by Chaos, Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:10.

Quote from JJ72 :

And yeah Chaos maybe you can remove the word "demo" from the thread title now.

I tried, but I can't... Only moderators can...

Quote from 1993S14 :

:iagree:

If you have bought S1, part of the code is decrypted, why not decrypt the whole? It's no problem not allowing S2 cars and tracks in another way...

EDIT> added a poll..

Last edited by Chaos, Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:44.

Quote from L(Oo)ney :

The point people are trying to make, is that there isnt any point in anyone buying S1, because there is no-one to race.

Allowing S1 licensed people play on S2 servers, which only has S1 options set, is a good idea.

It gives the S1 people someone to play with, so that their £12 they spent isn't wasted.

Yes, that's the point! And I would leave the possibility to buy LFS in 12 pounds steps... It's just in people's nature. If it costs 24 pounds they will not buy it. Let them pay the 24 pounds in 2 steps some days/weeks/months apart and they will eventually pay... It's somehow simmilar to buying a car on a lease...

Quote from snewham :

if you don't have S2 then you don't have the rightto experience the S2 cars. If you allow them on the server then they can hear, smell and touch the S2 cars and that nearly defeats the point of buying an S2 licence.

are you serious?
you can hear them in videos, see them in the viewer...
and (at least for me) the main thing is driving those S2 cars on those S2 tracks...
which they would not be able to do without the S2 license...

and please read what Orion said... he got the idea... you obviously didn't...

Last edited by Chaos, Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:39.

Quote from Doorman :

I for one can't think of ANY other demo for ANY other game that gives so much as LFS. The system works like this. Play the demo > either (a) love the demo and keep playing it forever for free (b) love the demo, buy the bloody game FGS! or (c) hate the demo, uninstall it and never give it another thought. Job done.

I have abandoned the idea of demo users taking part in this... S1 and S2 licensed only...

Quote from snewham :

because one has payed for the right and one hasn't

for what right? S1 licensed has the right for S1 content. What's wrong allowing them on S2 sever with S1 content??
Or do you think they don't have the right to race with you because you are S2 licensed? That's imo lame...

Last edited by Chaos, Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:53.

Quote from tristancliffe :

The difference is that I am S2 and he/she is S1 licenced. If I want to race against S1ers, then (as I have paid more) I can choose to do that. If S1ers want to race S2ers, then they can just pay more.

I don't care if they use the same track, same cars, same damage, same language. The point is that as they are not S2 licenced, they do not get to race on S2 servers. Simple.

As soon as they cough up more money for the devs to improve S2, then they are 1000000% welcome to race me and every other S2er.

well just tell me how you can tell the difference wheter you race a S1er or a S2er, when you are both on one server...
btw it sounds you think that people with S1 license only are somewhat lesser racers than S2...

Last edited by Chaos, Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:49.

and another thought: should they be allowed to spectate, what kind of access to S2 is that? The only thing you gain is that you envy those who can race, but you can't > in time you will buy S2...

Quote from snewham :

you shouldn't be able to get any kind of S2 content if you haven't payed for it. That includes spectating.

Well then no spectating... Just allow those with S1 license to drive on S2 server with FE Green and MRT5 set up...
am I talking to a wall or what?

Quote from tristancliffe :

I paid for S2, and quite simply I don't want people being able to race in my servers if they have paid less than me.

There are plenty of screenshots, movies and members that show that S2 is a step forward over S1. And demo users should be happy to have the worlds finest racing game for free (although only parts of it).

well again... if you race at Aston with any car, the people would not be able to join (maybe spectate, if allowed), but tell me, where the hell is the difference if you set up a race on FE Green with the MRT5, why the person who paid for the S1 content shoud not be able to join? He has the same right as you, to be there!

Or are you thinking: I paid 12 pounds more so why should I race this lowly "not even driver" who has not? He's some kind of rubbish that I don't want to come into contact with?

Last edited by Chaos, Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:09.

Quote from Nitemare :

with this i agree... just enable people with s1 to join s2 servers, BUT only those with s1 content specified... and if server admin changes server specs to allow s2 content, s1 users will be kicked

well that's excatly where my idea originated... then it continued to: why kick them, let them spectate...

Quote from snewham :

TBH, if there was demand for more S1 servers, then S1 teams or players would pay to get servers put up on S1 themselves. The last time I looked there was a very little amount on there which shows that there obviously isn't a high demand for them.

And obviously no they don't want to drive S1 classes anymore due to the new S2 classes/cars. People would much rather drive them.

I run 3 different servers and I definetlely wont be supporting, let alone enabling any kind of option like this.

Who said anything about demand for S1 servers? I've seen S2 servers with GTi/GT on FernBay just yesterday and there were 9 drivers there, what I am suggesting, allow S1 only licensed drivers join the race on such a server.

well that's your opinion, but I would like to see someone elses too... or am I the only one wanting to have all kinds of car classes on servers?

Quote from snewham :

why are you still arguing?

it is a bad idea because it is impracticle, time consuming and not needed.

because i don't think its a bad idea, not much time consuming and it would be useful for everyone who paid for LFS...

EDIT> moderators, please change the global topic to S1/S2 only (delete "demo/") Thanks..

Last edited by Chaos, Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:29.

Quote from snewham :

exactly, and how many servers are there in S2 that even have S1 cars enabled?

and minus from that the servers who's admins don't want S1/demo users on their server

and you're left with oh ... umm.. 1 or 2 servers. And the devs are going to spend time to implement this why??

exactly, this way we would have more "S1" severs... There was a cry for a diverse "serverfield" before... Or don't S2 licensed users want to drive the TBO class, Lx4, etc. anymore?
and please leave the demo out... now we are talking about merging S1 + S2 only...

Quote from Nitemare :

1] mainly the security issues, as was already pointed out... if you can see decrypted cars and tracks in game, you are just few variables away from getting complete acces to them

2] need for altering communication protocol of lfs, to allow "just spectating" connections

3] more bandwidth usage for master server, and s2 servers

4] i can imagine, that if there was an option in server setup for specifiing amount non-s2 users on server, most admins will put it to zero anyway...

1, if you have half the code decrypted, then there is no prob decryptyng the other half. Imo not a problem to check (server side) license = used car (as are cars checked for tweaks)

2, imo not needed, just a switch using the race full block: S2 track, S1 connection -> race full, you can't join

3, questionable, but I don't think it would be that much...

4, why would they? even now there can only be 20 cars in the race, but many servers have 23 conns allowed...

Quote from snewham :

The idea isn't viable. The system is fine the way it is at the moment. Demo is to get a taste of it and S1 is for a little bit more, s2 is for the whole package.

It would be so much more work for the devs and it would only benefit the people who are so tight they can't pay out 12 pounds for an S2 licence.

Devs have more important things to do than that.

well I don't think it is a big problem from programmer's point of view...
And you are wrong that only those with S1 license would benefit from it...
S2 license holders almost don't go to S1 servers (unless to meet a friend), so there would be more servers with TBO, LX4, FR in S2 (not many of these in S2 nowadays).
AND
From the customers point of view: Well what the hell 12 pounds are fine, I'll pay that, but 24? Naah too much... So with my suggested system, this guy would enjoy S1 (with a lot more drivers than there are now in S1), but from time to time he would see a FZ50 passing him, then the RA, etc. Give him a month a he pays the other 12 pounds..

Quote from Nitemare :

anyway,, i think the complications this feature would bring will outweight the gain from it...

well name some of these complications...

Quote from Nitemare :

problem is, that s1 users who come just to watch, block space for s2 users who want to play...

IMO it's not a big problem limiting the number of S1 spectators on a server with S2 track to 2 per server maybe...

Quote from snewham :

It would be great for demo users but then it wouldn't really be a demo would it? the idea of a demo is to give people a tempory view and an idea of what the full version is like so that they buy it, not to give them full access to view and race in s2 servers. Then all you are doing is paying for better cars and not access to a better quality and better community of racers.

The idea is completely flawed imho

?? Obviosly you didn't read the whole post/thread... I said and edited the first post and said, let demo out of this... only merge S1 and S2...
maybe let demo users watch .mpr from S2, but that's it..

EDIT> oops you reacted JJ72'sto post... but still, you don't see that the demo user will not use the whole S2... He could only watch... He could still only drive on Blackwood with F/R/T... so the only thing they would get, is to SEE S2 in its full glory...

Last edited by Chaos, Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:49.